For Spade - a discussion of sociocentricity

by SweetBabyCheezits 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits

    This is a continuation of a question I posed to Spade - off topic - on this thread.

    SBC: What are you getting out of posting on this forum?

    Spade: It's entertaining..... For me; it's interesting to challenge opposing viewpoints. Why ask why? If the ambiguity bothers you drink an alcoholic beverage.

    Spade, based on your comments above, I'd like to take a stab at what drives you. I explained on that thread why I participate in this forum and asked you the same. Your answer, as noted above, was more or less that you like to argue.

    This reminded me of something I read on a really great website (which is also an awesome organization), www.criticalthinking.org:

    Egocentricity means confusing what we see and think with reality. When under the influence of egocentricity, we think that the way we see things is exactly the way things are. Egocentricity manifests itself as an inability or unwillingness to consider others' points of view, a refusal to accept ideas or facts that would prevent us from getting what we want (or think we want). In its extreme forms, it is characterized by a need to be right about everything, a lack of interest in consistency and clarity, an all or nothing attitude ("I am 100% right; you are 100% wrong."), and a lack of self-consciousness of one's own thought processes. The egocentric individual is more concerned with the appearance of truth, fairness, and fair mindedness, than with actually being correct, fair, or fair minded. Egocentricity is the opposite of critical thought. It is common in adults as well as in children.

    As people are socialized, egocentricity partly evolves into sociocentricity. Egocentric tendencies extend to their groups. The individual goes from "I am right!" to "We are right!" To put this another way, people find that they can often best satisfy their egocentric desires through a group. "Group think" results when people egocentrically attach themselves to a group. One can see this in both children and adults: My daddy is better than your daddy! My school (religion, country, race, etc.) is better than yours. Uncritical thinkers often confuse loyalty with always supporting and agreeing, even when the other person or the group is wrong.

    If egocentricity and sociocentricity are the disease, self-awareness is the cure. We need to become aware of our own tendency to confuse our view with "The Truth". People can often recognize when someone else is egocentric. Most of us can identify the sociocentricity of members of opposing groups. Yet when we ourselves are thinking egocentrically or sociocentrically, it seems right to us (at least at the time). Our belief in our own rightness is easier to maintain because we ignore the faults in our thinking. We automatically hide our egocentricity from ourselves. We fail to notice when our behavior contradicts our self-image. We base our reasoning on false assumptions we are unaware of making. We fail to make relevant distinctions (of which we are otherwise aware and able to make) when making them prevents us from getting what we want. We deny or conveniently "forget" facts that do not support our conclusions. We often misunderstand or distort what others say.

    The solution, then, is to reflect on our reasoning and behavior; to make our beliefs explicit, critique them, and, when they are false, stop making them; to apply the same concepts in the same ways to ourselves and others; to consider every relevant fact, and to make our conclusions consistent with the evidence; and to listen carefully and open mindedly to others. We can change egocentric tendencies when we see them for what they are: irrational and unjust. The development of children's awareness of their egocentric and sociocentric patterns of thought is a crucial part of education in critical thinking. This development will be modest at first but can grow considerably over time.

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    Alice/Spade/Rachel/Consfearacy's original comment: "It's entertaining"

    I believe that comment revealed more than he/she/it wanted. Thus, the clarification: "For me; it's interesting to challenge opposing viewpoints. "

    It's not here to compare thoughts, debate any issues, learn anything new or share any information. It's bored.

    And both those statements, taken together tell me even he/she/it doesn't believe the crap it posts. Obviously, since it is not being obedient to it's masters by staying away from this site.

    Interesting info there, SBC. Thanks.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Great info SBC and I think you're right Palm.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Spade/Confearacy/AliceinWonderLand isn`t a JW..

    She randomly cuts and pastes..

    Subject matter isn`t a big concern..Niether are facts..

    Alice is like a Toddler who Wanders around the House with a Crayon..

    And..

    Scribbles on the Walls..

    http://www.blogcdn.com/www.diylife.com/media/2010/04/toddler-wall-crayons-590.jpg

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    So the term Troll fits then after all? And I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we shouldnt feed it after all then if this is the driving force?

    I think if NOBODY posted in it's topics, then there may be a tantrum or two....

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Feeding trolls is rarely a beneficial pasttime.

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    The problem with Alice/Spade/Rachel/Consfearacy is, it starts threads for "entertainment."

    This is the cycle:

    1. It starts a thread by cutting and pasting an article. There is rarely any comment on what it thinks about the information, it's just baiting us.

    2. Then a few people comment on it and a discussion starts.

    3. After a couple of pages of discussion, it comes back into the thread insulting everyone.

    4. We all defend ourselves for another 5 pages, interspersed with some of us trying to actually get some information across to it.

    5. It ignores all relevant points and after a couple more pages, starts an entirely different cut-and-paste thread.

    As I said, it's not here to compare thoughts, debate any issues, learn anything new or share any information. It's bored.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    As I said, it's not here to compare thoughts, debate any issues, learn anything new or share any information. It's bored......PalmTree67

    .............................. ...OUTLAW

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