by Oubliette 39 Replies latest members private
Odyssey, nice summary, thanks!
Out of all the things you noted from AM3's talk, I could only find one bit of "counsel" that is positive, encouraging and upbuilding: "Eat at least one meal together. Dining together fosters the family bond."
Only one!
Wow, just wow.
Perhaps my husband isn't too far gone. Last night, even after hearing all that spiritual food, we had a walking dead marathon.
I will try to upload the audio today
Hey there, that would be good. The Avery Orchid YouTube vid that Baltar posted is really hard to hear.
There's something wrong with you if you're a brother 23 years or older and not a Ministerial Servant.
Its just the old tried and true guilt and shame trick the WTS. imposes on to people to make them more productive in their religion.
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The WTS has always exploited peoples fears and ignorance as a tool to manipulate people toward their own self supporting means.
Take it from the perspective of influencing people to work for free on their own time and labor and as a result of that individual endeavor
your business grows and expands inevitably in power, control and money.
"Have you ever visited Bethel? Have you been able to visit an amusement park? Explain that to God."
Doesn't God know already? He's supposed to be able to read our hearts, kidneys, whatever and know our deepest feelings and motivations. What he really meant was JWs are accountable to the GB, who arrogantly put themselves in place of God.
This stuff is GOLD!
They seriously made a point about colorful SOCKS? Really? Metrosexual pants? I just in Houston, with about 10 million in the metro area. I have lived for several years in very metropolitan areas. I have NO IDEA what a "metrosexual suit" is.
This talk was setting up for all kinds of conversations in the future when ex JWs will be going on about colorful socks, men who are useless if not MS by 23, women wearing spanx and occassions for bloodguilt and the NEW/clueless defenders of the WT will be asking them to show them where it was ever WRITTEN, because if it isn't in print, it didn't really happen and it isn't really WT teaching. No matter who gave the 'talk'.
JWDaughter: because if it isn't in print, it didn't really happen
Hell, even when it IS in print, it still never happened!
Just to be clear, the OP is not an exact quote, but what Morris had to say is basically the same gist. It starts at around 18:00 in the YouTube video that baltar447 posted. For the video-impaired, here's a transcript of this segment of the talk (I had to suffer through Morris' disjointed and rambling sentences over and over while trying to transcribe this, so I hope someone thanks me for it):
Here's what happened, this is very touching -- a very responsible brother here at Bethel sharing this about his family and his dad -- and it's quite sobering as to what's involved with the need to really "train up a boy" as Prov. 22 brings to our attention, verse 6, that-that training takes time. And I've often thought of this, look what these people do with their children [mumbled] Olympics! And they say Jehovah's Witnesses are crazy, you know? And I remember watching this one years ago, a story on a girl who was an ice skater. They had that girl on the rink at 5 in the morning, before she sent to school. Came home, did her, um, then after school she went back on the rink, then she came home and did her homework at eight o'clock at night. And they say *we're* nuts, because we want our children to go out in the ministry and such; don't give in to that absurd, erroneous thinking.
So here's this father, well, all seven are still in the truth, the five older children all served for some years as regular pioneers, three of the boys served at Bethel for many years; the two youngest boys didn't do as much in the truth, they're not even involved serving in the congregation. You know, a man that's not serving, there should be a real good reason why they're not serving as a ministerial servant.
'Member a sister -- you know how elders get put in awkward positions? -- "Uh, what's, what's the story with this brother, I'm interested in marrying him." But they had already gone too far along. I tried to tell her, I said, "Well, think about it, he's 23 years old. He's not a ministerial servant. *Hmm.*" She married him. She paid for that wrong decision. 23 years old, and you're not serving as a ministerial servant?
So this is the kind of thing that happened to two of 'em out of the seven. And the brother writes, "Over the years, Dad always has said it's his fault they did not do better in the truth. I would object and tell him 'Don't blame yourself, the system got worse.' However he would firmly say" -- this is an honest man -- "'No, in my heart, I know that I did not give them the same time and attention I gave the five older children.' He contests, 'I got tired of raising kids and just assumed that the two younger ones would follow in the example of the older five. I did not give the time and devotion that I did to the first five.'"
Now, he knew that, and he knew he couldn't go back and change it. He assumed full responsibility, and he *was* reponsible. Maybe these two will come to their senses 'cause their Dad has since died, but it shows: the lack of taking the time and the training... it shows. There's no substitute for it. You can either [even?] put the working effort in, give 'em the best opportunities -- you know when you do all of that, they have to make the truth their own.
