Your thoughts on Daily Mail article on prayer and tax exempt status???

by Gill 5 Replies latest social humour

  • Gill
    Gill

    This is from the Monday December 26th 2005, Daily Mail

    TAX BREAKS FOR MONKS? THEY HAVEN'T GOT A PRAYER by Tim Shipman (Political correspondent)

    Monks and nuns in enclosed orders have been told they do not qualify for charitable staus - because their prayers do not benefit society.

    Other religious groups generally qualilfy as charities because they perform voluntary service that ehlps the community.

    But Labour has rejected calls from MPs to grant closed orders the same rights, dismissing studies which claim that private prayer really can work by speeding the recovery of the sick and injured.

    In a letter to Liberal Democrat front bencher, Steve Webb, Home Office Minister, Paul Goggins revealed that the Government has decided to refuse pleas for monks and nuns to benefit from the new Charities Bill - even though the cost would be negligible.

    Mr Goggins wrote : 'Entirely closed religious orders are not now charitable. The Charities Bill, if enacted in its current form, will not change this position.

    'The effect of the Bill her is simply to remove the presumption that organizations for the advancement of religion...are for the public benefit. A court decision found there was no clear evidence that private prayer provided by entirely closed orders provided a public benefit.'

    But two years ago scientists reported what the devoutly religious have always claimed, that appealing to the Almighty can actually work.

    Research showed that heart disease patients in San Francisco were 'significantly helped' when prayers were said on their behalf.

    Those who were prayed for had fewer complications, fewer cases of pnemonia and needed less drug treatment.

    The evidence was presented by Dr Peter Fenwick, a neuropsychiatrist from the Institute of Psychiatry at the Festival of Science in 2003.

    A separate study found that Korean patients undergoing IVF treatment who were prayed for by strangers had double the success rate of those who did not.

    Mr Webb said : 'Most people would think that those who commit to a life of prayer are contributing to society. We don't need to be a nation of accountants where everything has to be measured.

    We should be a society that values the spiritual dimension as well as the material.

    'If ministers want to be purely factual about it, you can find evidence that prayer works. When I asked the Treasury how much it would cost to grant tax breaks to closed religious communities they said they didn't know. It would be a tiny amount.

    'Particularly at this time of year it would be nice if the Government recognised that there is more to life than pounds and pence.'

    A Church of England spokesman said : 'There are numerous occassions where the power of prayer has been pointed to as a factor.

    'Charity in the normal sense is something physical rather than spiritual but closed communities have been supporting society through their prayer for centuries and will continue to do so.'

    Reverend Rod Thomas, of the Evangelical group Reform, said: 'One thing the studies don't show is the extraordinary consolation that prayer can bring to those going through bereavement or illness. I'd like to know how the government are going to measure that.'

    Well this article brought a couple of questions to my mind.

    1) Shouldn't tax exempt status be removed from the WTBTS because it does NOTHING at all charitable to help society, and also because it is praying for the destruction of all who are not worshippers of Jehovah.

    2) The proof or evidence that they found that prayer 'works' proves , if it proves anything, that God is listening to NON JW prayers.

    Any one else got any thoughts on this article?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Good questions - We will have to wait and see what this new "Charities Bill" will actually say and how it may affect the WTS.

    However, the WTS is totally opposite from a closed order in that its members go out and bang the doors of all in the community so as to "Spread the Good News". When I was preparing the stuff for the Deed of Covenant scheme and registering our then congo as a charity, I seem to remember that our purpose was to give Bible education and teach Christian values etc etc .
    I am sure that they would make a defence based on the "positive good" that this has had on people lives, even such as the Theo. Ministry School .

    But we will watch with interest.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    Interesting. If it does come to "show us the benefit", then would they be willing to look at detriments, too? For instance, if the Watchtower claims it benefits society by promoting Christian values, but at the same time a whack of ex-JW's point out that these "christian values" have destroyed families via shunning and blood policy, would the two cancel each other out?

    Probably not. But hey, it's *my* fantasy!

    Dave

  • Gill
    Gill

    BB and AA, (or should that be AA and BB?)

    I don't really see why any religon should be give a tax exempt status if it doesn't do charitable works, literally works that physically benefit a community.

    With regard to research on the benefits of prayer being proven, I have a vague recollection of a Watchtower or Awake mag actually covering this research. What I hadn't thought about at the time was what they were in effect repeating, was that God, answered ALL prayers and NOT just JW prayers, in their quoting and agreeing with the research. A bit strange considering that God only speaks to, uses and answers the prayers of JWs and not of all those 'nasty false religions out there'!

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    I have a vague recollection of a Watchtower or Awake mag actually covering this research. What I hadn't thought about at the time was what they were in effect repeating, was that God, answered ALL prayers and NOT just JW prayers, in their quoting and agreeing with the research. A bit strange considering that God only speaks to, uses and answers the prayers of JWs and not of all those 'nasty false religions out there'!

    GOOD POINT! Does anyone have a reference?

    Dave

  • ferret
    ferret

    To all J.W.'s YOU DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON GOD!

    He answers prayers of others, look at all the people here who have found the truth about the truth.

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