When I left JW's after finding about all of the "false" dates that was set for Armaggeddon, I thought that they were the only ones that did this. But since leaving the JW's and doing 15 years of "research" on all religions I found out that JW's are not the only ones that have giving false predictions. The christian church is also guilty of this. So I am just wondering why so many "ex-jws" that become bac's don't have a problem with born-agains giving false dates, but they are ready to burn JW's and the WTS at the stake for setting dates. I now condemn all groups and religions that "date set". I know alot of born-agains were saying that the year 2000 was going to be the year of the rapture. Many bac's were let down when the year came and went. So I am wondering posters do you know of any other dates that bac's predicted that failed to come to pass?
What "world coming to an end" dates have Born-Agains set that you know of?
by booker-t 8 Replies latest jw friends
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Undecided
I haven't seen anything that has happened that was proven to be from the bible God or of the Jesus from the Greek scriptures. They can make all the dates they want but it will only be by accident if it happens. Have you seen anyone move a mountain by faith yet? Oh that was just an illustration. What isn't an illustration in the bible, or some spiritual meaning which has nothing to do with reality???
Ken P.
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yucca
The born again christian church I have been attending since 1992 does not set dates. The bible says no one knows the time or date. We look for Christ to come back. We do not dwell on Armagadden. The church i go to is Calvary Chapel and I recommend it if you really want to understand the bible.
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blondie
Is Jack Van Impe considered "born-again"?
Jack Van Impe he talked about a generation being 50 some odd number of years and counting from 1967 when Jeruselum was captured would make it 2018 and then subtract 7 years for the trib comes to 2011 for the very soon rapture maybe!
Has anyone heard him say this?
Blondie
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smellsgood
Hi there booker
"When I left JW's after finding about all of the "false" dates that was set for Armaggeddon, I thought that they were the only ones that did this. But since leaving the JW's and doing 15 years of "research" on all religions I found out that JW's are not the only ones that have giving false predictions. The christian church is also guilty of this. So I am just wondering why so many "ex-jws" that become bac's don't have a problem with born-agains giving false dates, but they are ready to burn JW's and the WTS at the stake for setting dates. I now condemn all groups and religions that "date set". I know alot of born-agains were saying that the year 2000 was going to be the year of the rapture. Many bac's were let down when the year came and went. So I am wondering posters do you know of any other dates that bac's predicted that failed to come to pass?"
smellsgood: The trouble with this inquiry is that the BAC's are not in any way structured like the Witnesses. If a pastor in arkansas announces to his congregation that the end will come in 2007, then perhaps some in his congregation will get worked up about it, but it won't affect many beyond his 'circle.'
The entire WT structure from the beginning, and today with the 1914-1919 nonsense, is basically founded on dates/date setting, when the end will come.
The "Christian Church" as you put it today is not a top-down structured hierarchy (excepting the RC/Catholic church), much too heterogenous, there are standout pastors with massive following, appeal, influence what have you.
you said: "So I am just wondering why so many "ex-jws" that become bac's don't have a problem with born-agains giving false dates, but they are ready to burn JW's and the WTS at the stake for setting dates."
I would think that a ex-jw would find any pastor or "organisation" that sets a date for something that does not come to pass WOULD indeed be highly sensitive to this, and from experience, not just brush it off with the whole "imperfect men" spiel. yeah....heard that one before.
Like I said, the basic premise is a little off, its a bit of an apple/orange comparison really. The "bac" do not have a single leader. I think roughly 45% or so who identify themselves in the Christian category, claim to be "born again." This being so, there is no "faithful discreet slave class" who are the "mouthpiece of Jehovah" there is no "mother organization" they don't have doctrine interpreted for them from that "fds" through an organizations publications.
If there is some nutjob pastor who loses his marbles and starts setting dates that are entirely wrong, he should be transparently called what he is at that juncture: a false prophet.
I do know of other cult leaders who set dates for armageddon. I believe David Moses of "The Family" did so back in the 70's.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/bible_ca.htm (alot of WT on there!)
Oh, yes, and Jack Van Impe does not "set dates" but he is a "just around the corner" guy. I watch his show from time to time to see what new suit Rexella is wearing. Oh, yeah *scoff* and for the "in depth, cutting analysis" of "events around the world"......
he's a strange man.
at the end of the day, I think one of the biggest ways the watchtower has gotten and retained their power is through datesetting/implying. I think the basic message that bacs believe tends to place such power more with Jesus.
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mouthy
I am born again... Dont know about any others ,but I believe that NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR....
All I know religion in MY opinion IS a snare & a racket!!! But a Relationship with GOD!>>>Father,Son & Holy Spirit Is MY Statue of Liberty!!!!!! Just as in the States ( right in front of the Watchtower) they have the Statue of Liberty holding up the flame, In MY HEART I have Jesus as MY liberty,( FREEDOM FROM MAN RULES),which Flames MY heart.O.K. The stoning may commence
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smellsgood
Mouthy: All I know religion in MY opinion IS a snare ; a racket!!! But a Relationship with GOD!Father,Son & Holy Spirit Is MY Statue of Liberty!!!!!!
"Those who make religion their god will not have God for their religion."
Thomas Erskine of Linlathen
you're adorable
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mouthy
you're adorable
smellsgood
WELL THANKS VERY MUCH!!! I edpected stones & I got LOVE((((((HUG)) -
mouthy
I know expected is NOT as I spelt it above