What if it turns out that these terrorist attacks came from some of our own citizens?
This has been such a terrible thing and every one seems to be focused
on the Middle East.
Has any one else considered this possibility?
Remember the Oklahoma bombing?
Ranchette
What if.................
by Ranchette 6 Replies latest jw friends
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Ranchette
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Silverleaf
This is a valid point, Ranchette. I heard someone on one of the news channels saying this very thing. The speculation was that there must have been some Americans involved, if only to help people circumvent security. This was not the fault of some overworked, underpaid baggage checker who didn't bother to look closely enough at someone's luggage. Those involved had to have planned this for months or maybe years to get the timing right, and they had to have help getting around security, possibly planting bombs on the planes and getting non-metal weapons aboard. Likewise, anyone who has seen the footage of the second plane veering toward the WTC in mid-flight can see that there was someone deliberately flying the plane, it was not a coincidence. Whoever was in that cockpit knew exactly what they were doing and how to do it. I think it's highly likely that they had inside help.
Silverleaf
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Yes, i could picture this. I find it VERY hard to believe that this took the american govt by surprise. The survillance technologies that are being used by the many intelligence branches are amazing. Just a few examples. All cellphone conversations, emails, faxes and internet traffic are accesable to govt branches. That doesn't mean evertying is read, but keywords are flagged and those messages can be further checked. The cia has infiltrated most serious political orgs. FBI keps tabs on all kinds of things. Then there are the nsa, pentagon, border patrols, bataf, etc. These are just a few off the top of my head. I know there are many more. Cameras are at many airports. Automatic facial recognition programs are coming into use.
Another thing, most arab groups are too disorganised and undisciplined for this type of attack.
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Ranchette
SaintSatan,
You present a serenio I haven't thought of.But, I believe citizens of this country could commit a terrorist act without the government knowing anything about it.
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SaintSatan
Another thing, most Arab groups are too disorganised and undisciplined for this type of attack.
In general I would agree with you on this from what I've seen in the past. However 'bin Ladan' has already proven himself able and willing to make very organized attacks on US targets. Examples are the embassies in Africa and the Naval vesel that he put a hole into.
The U.S. security at the airports is shit, most people recognize that. Anyone who has traveled abroad recognizes the difference between our US security and say the security in place in Israel or even Germany with their airposrts and flights. Some of these countries are out and out paranoid. While here in the US if you can flip burgers or wash windows you can be an airport security guard. Can we say, "minimum wage opportunity". Sad to say we get what we pay for, and that is insecurity.
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True the Arabs don't have a corner on the wacko, fanatical market and it could be that it was "one of own". But I don't think so. I seem to remember 'bin Ladan' saying something 7-8 years ago about his failed attempt on the WTC and saying that he would bring it down. I could be wrong on this its been along time.
However after the surrealness of hearing the news this morning had settled, his name popped clearly to mind.
David P
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Satanus
felix
Bin ladin attacks in africa, okay, but in yemen; have a look at this from http://www.geocities.com/vialls2/cole1.html
USS Cole in Aden - Another USS Liberty? Copyright Joe Vialls, 15 October 2000
Senior American military contacts suggest the State of Israel launched a remote air attack on the USS Cole as she entered Aden Harbour in South Yemen. If the detailed information provided is accurate, this would be the second time Israel has attacked an American ship in international waters. The first was a cowardly but ruthless attack on the unarmed American signals intelligence (SIGINT) ship USS Liberty, by Israeli warplanes in 1967. Though the powerful Jewish lobby in Washington managed to suppress all details of the attack at mainstream media level, the cowardly attack is remembered by most members of the American military. For those interested in the full story of the USS Liberty, a link is provided at the end of this report. Though the Pentagon does not yet have full details, current analysis is that the USS Cole was attacked in a "false flag" operation designed to drag America into the current Middle East conflict, firmly in the side of Israel. This makes sense. If the "Dirty Ayrabs" are attacking Israeli and American assetts at the same time, then "obviously" both injured parties should join together as allies in a formal response. The mystery currently surrounding two militant Arabs standing to attention in a small rubber boat seconds before self-destructing against the hull of the USS Cole, is no mystery at all. There was no rubber boat and there were no militant Arabs present. One moment the USS Cole was making a slow approach to her mooring, and the next the engine room suddenly exploded, killing six crew members and vapourizing another ten or eleven. Damage was massive, with a 20 x 40 foot hole in the hull, main engines destroyed, bulkheads torn apart, and severe damage inflicted on the keel. Significantly, although the strike was on the engine room(s), there was no fire. This particular point will make sense to explosives experts. The pattern of the damage, and microscopic fragments recovered from the engine room and its environs, suggest the USS Cole was struck by a television guided Rafael Popeye 2, similar to that shown in the picture below. The Popeye 2 differs only slightly from the American AGM 142A Raptor, being a little shorter in overall length and with a slightly smaller warhead. Popeye 2 is designated AGM 142B by the US military, but has never been purchased by American forces. The only nations currently known to possess and use this missile are Israel, Turkey and North Korea.
Popeye 2 is a very smart weapon. Unlike most air-to-ground and anti-ship missiles which use radar or infra-red guidance, Popeye is steered manually from the strike aircraft by use of a tiny television camera in the nose of the missile. The operator in the launch aircraft watches a small TV screen, and steers the missile to its target by use of a tiny joystick - very similar to that used for computer games. Because of its guidance system Popeye is largely undetectable, and normal counter measures including chaff (anti-radar guided missiles), and flares (anti-infra red missiles), simply do not work. If the ship detects the launch aircraft and suspects an attack, close-in protection is sometimes possible with Phalanx Gatling guns mounted on the deck of the ship, but the chances of a direct hit are few, because the tiny missile comes in just above sea level at Mach 0.9, about 680 m.p.h. in standard atmospheric conditions. Popeye can be launched at a range of 50 miles (80 kilometres), has pinpoint accuracy and commonly hits a four foot-square target bullseye. The missile can be fitted with a blast-fragmentation warhead, or a "directed-energy" micro nuclear warhead delivering a 10 ton TNT (equivalent) punch. Because of the massive damage inflicted on the USS Cole by this single missile, the latter warhead seems a certainty. Those interested in specific blast effects might like to study the picture of the USS Cole shown at the bottom of this page. First, the epicentre of any blast is normally in the centre of the visible damage, which in this case would put the point of impact about eight to ten feet above the waterline, a classic strike position designed to break the ship in half. Damage to the keel supports this completely. Second, after penetration of the armored hull by a Mach 0.9 missile, the subsequent internal explosion would cause outward rippling of te hull at the entry point. This is shown very clearly by the (outward) buckled hull plates at the rear of the 20 x 40 foot hole in the hull. Whether or not the American military will make its preliminary findings public on an official basis is currently unknown, but assumed unlikely. Earlier experience at the time of the USS Liberty sinking has taught the Pentagon very well that accurate damage assessments like this, pointing the finger firmly at America's "ally" Israel, will be swept under the carpet by those in the Jewish lobby who effectively control the American media.
Update 29/10/00: US Navy Reports confirm that immediately after impact at 1118 hrs local time, the USS Cole lost all communiations and radar assetts. This is characteristic of the small electromagnetic pulse emitted by micro nuclear "directed energy" warheads of the class frequently fitted to the Israeli Popeye 2 Air to Surface Missile (ASM).
Missile Damage to USS Cole
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peacepipe
The movie Arlington Road kept coming to my mind in light of todays events. It was about American Terrorists who had a sort of "secret society" to collaborate such attacks. I do agree that it would be hard to believe this could all be orchestrated without any help from people -alot of people from inside the US- assuming it was originated outside of the US at all. I can't fathom with todays technology these events could of taken place with such precision without "inside help". It scares me to think however, todays violence could have contained nuclear, biological or chemical weapons which would of made for a much worse scenario and as I watched the news on todays events unfold I really thought we were going to hear of these attacks all across the US. I said in an earlier post, I wonder if there may of been more hijackers who got grounded when our aviation was shut down today.