A video of an Elder saying those disfellowshipped are not shunned...

by Grace 5 Replies latest jw friends

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  Grace

  ...and, under oath and in court, this Elder says that the Witnesses do not use the word shun and would gladly help out a disfellowshipped person but are not able to discuss spiritual matters.

  Further, the Elder repeatedly says under oath that disfellowshipping is a congregational matter, not a family matter; therefore, families would not be required to shun their disassociated or disfellowshipped loved ones.

  Excuse me if most of you have seen this already...I stumbled across it on my own.

  Grace

  I cannot get the link to copy here, but Google "Witnesses of Jehovah video" and you will see about six down there is a link talking about an Elder twisting the truth in court.
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  alamb

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/108672/1.ashx
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  alamb

  I'm so glad you found this through the internet! That means it's out there and being seen. Thanks for putting it up.
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  Confession

  Very interesting... Let's see how this squares with actual Watchtower quotes, shall we?

  "We should not see how close we can get to relatives who are disfellowshiped from Jehovah's organization, but we should 'quit mixing in company' with them." [Watchtower, July 15, 1963, pp. 443-444]

  "We must hate (the Disfellowshipped person) in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider (the Disfellowshipped person) as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." [Watchtower, October 1, 1952, p. 599]

  "What would the children and households of Korah, Dathan and Abiram do? Would they put loyalty to family ahead of loyalty to Jehovah and his congregation? Most of those closely related to the rebels put family before God. Jehovah executed these relatives along with the rebels. Num. 16:16-33." [Watchtower, September 15, 1981, p. 26]

  "Cutting ourselves off completely from all association with (my disfellowshipped sister) Margaret tested our loyalty to Jehovah's arrangement. It gave our family opportunity to show that we really believe that Jehovah's way is best." -Lynette."

  "The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative." [Watchtower, April 15, 1988]

  "Disfellowshipped and disassociated ones are shunned by those who wish to have a good relationship with Jehovah." [Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock (Elders Only Book) p. 103]

  "Former friends and relatives might hope that a disfellowshipped one would return; yet out of respect for the command at 1 Corinthians 5:11, they do not associate with an expelled person." [Watchtower, April 15, 1991]

  "As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "quit mixing with them." " [Taken from the Official Jehovah's Witnesses Media Website at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm]

  "After hearing a talk at a [Jehovah's Witnesses] circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact. Shortly thereafter, his mother began attending meetings and was eventually reinstated. Also, her unbelieving husband began studying and in time was baptized [as a Jehovah's Witness]." [Our Kingdom Ministry August 2002 Issue]

  This does not in any way harmonize with the elder's testimony in court. Clearly Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to separate themselves from disfellowshipped relatives, and they do "shun" them. He is guilty of perjury.
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  LDH

  Was the elder JR Brown?

  As one poster said to me, her JW husband says about the JR Brown interview, "Well that sounds like a Public Relations position." To which she responded, "There is no PR Truth. It either is, or isn't."

  And here we're going to sit and argue about whether or not Elders and CO's and the like should be judged more harshly. This man knew that what he said under oath was a LIE.

  Lisa
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  dmouse

  The Watchtower, Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit

  10 We can be just as sure that God’s arrangement that Christians refuse to fellowship with someone who has been expelled for unrepentant sin is a wise protection for us. “Clear away the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, according as you are free from ferment.” (1 Corinthians 5:7) By also avoiding persons who have deliberately disassociated themselves, Christians are protected from possible critical, unappreciative, or even apostate views.—Hebrews 12:15, 16.
  What About Relatives?
  11 God certainly realizes that carrying out his righteous laws about cutting off wrongdoers often involves and affects relatives. As mentioned above, when an Israelite wrongdoer was executed, no more family association was possible. In fact, if a son was a drunkard and a glutton, his parents were to bring him before the judges, and if he was unrepentant, the parents were to share in the just executing of him, ‘to clear away what is bad from the midst of Israel.’ (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) You can appreciate that this would not have been easy for them. Imagine, too, how the wrongdoer’s brothers, sisters, or grandparents felt. Yet, their putting loyalty to their righteous God before family affection could be lifesaving for them.