Why DIALYSIS is not "eating" blood nor even removing it from the body

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  • MinisterAmos
    MinisterAmos


    I'm not going to answer the question, further, I am even MORE confused after consulting my 1/8/85 Awake on the subject.

    It relates the tale of a British DO's wife who suffered from kidney shut down and was forced to start dialysis.

    The procedure is explained in complete detail, and leaves no doubt that her blood is removed from her body and cleansed by the machine. The only scripture I can think of that applies here is Deut? which calls for blood to be "poured on the ground" after leaving the body.

    An accompanying photo shows her next to the machine, an early model, which is just a huge Rube Goldberg contraption. There is no way they could possibly claim it is "part of her body" or that the blood remains in her veins. The article quotes scripture from Gen. 9:4 and Acts 15:29 (Acts so we cannot claim it's an OT demand I guess?) but NO mention of the command that "blood must be poured on the ground" after it leaves the body.

    What a surprises that the WT would so carelessly "forget" scripture that is used every Sunday in every KH in the world to substantiate it's beliefs. In this case however, even Dubs might be able to add 2+2 and realize that the blood is leaving the woman's veins in the foto.

    I'd LOVE more WT magazine references on this subject as it is a fascinating rejection of basic JW doctrine spun to become acceptable.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

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    hb pp. 27-28 Jehovah’s Witnesses—The Surgical/Ethical Challenge ***

    "Witnesses believe that blood removed from the body should be disposed of, so they do not accept autotransfusion of predeposited blood. Techniques for intraoperative collection or hemodilution that involve blood storage are objectionable to them. However, many Witnesses permit the use of dialysis and heart-lung equipment (non-blood-prime) as well as intraoperative salvage where the extracorporeal circulation is uninterrupted; the physician should consult with the individual patient as to what his conscience dictates. 2

    The Witnesses do not feel that the Bible comments directly on organ transplants; hence, decisions regarding cornea, kidney, or other tissue transplants must be made by the individual Witness."

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    w89 3/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***

    "This clearly rules out one common use of autologous blood—preoperative collection, storage, and later infusion of a patient’s own blood. In such procedure, this is what is done: Prior to elective surgery, some units of a person’s whole blood are banked or the red cells are separated, frozen, and stored. Then if it seems that the patient needs blood during or following surgery, his own stored blood can be returned to him. Current anxieties about blood-borne diseases have made this use of autologous blood popular. Jehovah’s Witnesses, though, DO NOT accept this procedure. We have long appreciated that such stored blood certainly is no longer part of the person. It has been completely removed from him, so it should be disposed of in line with God’s Law: "You should pour it out upon the ground as water."—Deuteronomy 12:24.

    In a somewhat different process, autologous blood can be diverted from a patient to a hemodialysis device (artificial kidney) or a heart-lung pump. The blood flows out through a tube to the artificial organ that pumps and filters (or oxygenates) it, and then it returns to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have permitted this if the equipment is not primed with stored blood. They have viewed the external tubing as elongating their circulatory system so that blood might pass through an artificial organ. They have felt that the blood in this closed circuit was still part of them and did not need to be ‘poured out.’"

    For comparison, a story about a JW transplant

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    g96 11/22 pp. 12-13 ‘It’s Only Temporary!’—My Life With Kidney Disease ***

    Since January 1981, I had been on the national list for a kidney transplant. I hoped that with a transplant my life would go back to the way it had been. Little did I know what lay ahead!

    A phone call in mid-August informed us that a donor had been found. When I got to the hospital, at about 10 p.m., blood samples were taken to make sure I was a suitable match for the transplant. The kidney was made available by the family of a young man who had died in an accident earlier that day.

    Surgery was scheduled for the following morning. Before the operation could be performed, a major issue had to be addressed, as I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and my Bible-trained conscience will not permit me to accept a blood transfusion. (Acts 15:28, 29) That first night the anesthesiologist came to see me. He urged me to agree to have blood available in the operating room, just in case. I said no.

    "What am I supposed to do if something goes wrong? Let you die?" he asked.

    "Do whatever else you have to do, but no blood is to be given to me, no matter what."

    After he left, the surgeons came in. I discussed the same issue with them, and much to my relief, they agreed to operate without blood.

    The three-and-a-half-hour operation went smoothly. The surgeon said that I lost very little blood. When I awoke in the recovery room, three things assaulted my senses—first hunger and thirst and then pain! But all of that faded into the background when I saw a bag on the floor, filling with a pinkish-yellow fluid. It was urine from my new kidney. I was finally putting out urine! When the catheter was removed from my bladder and I was able to urinate like anyone else, I was very happy.

    My joy, however, was short-lived. Two days later I got depressing news—my new kidney was not working. I would have to resume dialysis in the hopes that it would give the new kidney time to kick in. I continued on dialysis for several weeks.

    It was now mid-September, and I had been in the hospital nearly a month. The hospital was 50 miles [80 km] from my home, so it was difficult for my Christian brothers and sisters to visit me. I missed my congregation very much. I received tape recordings of the congregation meetings, but when I listened to them, I got all choked up. I spent many lonely hours talking to Jehovah God in prayer, asking him for the strength to keep on enduring"

  • TD
    TD


    The only scripture I can think of that applies here is Deut? which calls for blood to be "poured on the ground" after leaving the body.

    LOL. Actually there is no scripture that says any such thing. The Deuteronomic requirement was that the blood of animals killed for food must first be poured out before you ate the flesh.

    Lev 17: 13 “‘As for any man of the sons of Israel or some alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst who in hunting catches a wild beast or a fowl that may be eaten, he must in that case pour its blood out and cover it with dust.

    Deu 12:16: "Only whenever your soul craves it you may slaughter, and you must eat meat according to the blessing of Jehovah your God that he has given you, inside all your gates. The unclean one and the clean one may eat it, like the gazelle and like the stag. 16 Only the blood YOU must not eat. On the earth you should pour it out as water.

    Deu 15:23: "Inside your gates you should eat it, the unclean one and the clean one together, like the gazelle and like the stag. 23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water. "

    This was especially a problem with wild animals because they don't let you walk up to them and slit their throats in the Kosher manner and methods for putting a wild animal to death at a distance (e.g. An arrow, spear or snare) did not sufficiently bleed the carcass

    The JW's have subtley reworded the requirement from this:

    • Blood must be removed from the body by being poured out

    Into this:

    • Blood removed from the body must be poured out

    However this injects an extra step in the process of butchering an animal which would require at least a transitory storage of blood. (From what exactly is the blood poured out from?) Blood is not first removed, and then poured out --You stand back as the blood drains out from the carcass itself.

  • sir82
    sir82

    The cynic's answer to why this allowed:

    When the details of the blood policy were being hammered out, a family member of someone on the GB was underging dialysis, or had their blood re-circulating during an operation. Thus, this loophole was conveniently left open.

    No evidence to back this up, just a cynical point of view...

  • MinisterAmos
    MinisterAmos

    Thanks for the responses. I am particularly intrigued by the issue since it a major component of the contrarian nature of JW doctrine; IE: "we'd rather die than ingest blood intravenously even though the Bible does not actually prohibit anything other than the actual EATING of game animal blood. Organ transplants, which call for the "ingestion" of more white blood cells than any transfusion are OK, and dialysis is OK as well because the blood never leaves the person's body. The dialysis machine is accepted as an extension of the person's circulatory system"

    I'd love to post the pic from the Awake that shows the woman in her bed next to her "body", a primitive 1000 pound, 2meter sq hunk of metal. Ask anyone who has ever had the experience of dialysis if one of these babies could EVER, in anyone's wildest dreams be considered a part of a person's circulatory system. The sister's own description of needling the vein shunt are bone chilling and bear no resemblance to anything remotely natural. The idea is just too bizzare to even imagine.

    Anyway this seems to be the earliest mention of the subject in a WT publication and seeing that it was the "wife of a DO of a large district" I can only ASSume that new light was quickly discovered that made it all right.

    Meanwhile, if your kid is in a car wreck the elders will do everything in their power to encourage you to let your child die. I'm sure there is at least one in every congo who will attest to you having signed the "no-blood" form

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