The Bible and what you believe

by MacHislopp 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    just a short question :
    What do you think of these different
    points/quotes?

    1) False beliefs, by the clergy’s own admission, abound in Christendom.

    2) Many beliefs crumble under the test for truthfulness?

    3) “PEOPLE will go to any church,” admits a Honolulu clergyman, “without suspicion as to false doctrine.”

    4) In this age of deception and falsehood millions of persons are uncritical even when it comes to the vital sphere of religious beliefs they accept what they hear without investigation, even though doctrines of the various churches conflict with one another.

    5) The Bible foretold an abundance of false religious beliefs for this time: “There will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled, and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories.”—2 Tim. 4:3, 4.

    6) Many people do not know whether the Bible teaches what they believe, because they are not taught or encouraged to follow the Scriptural rule: “Make sure of all things.” (1 Thess. 5:21)

    7) An educator recently pointed out why people are not taught to test their beliefs and why people often accept even implausible doctrines. Professor Walter Kaufmann of Princeton University, in an address at Colby College, Waterville, Maine, spoke on the moral and intellectual failure of organized religion. (The Portland (Maine) Press Herald of February 24, 1959)

    8) Prof. Kaufmann denounced hypocrisy which prevents them from stating as much in public. ‘If these leaders said what they really believed,’ he commented, ‘organized religion would crumble, and we would wind up with individual religions.’”

    9) Jesus Christ said: “The truth will set you free.” (John 8:32) Falsehood cannot make one free. But because of the desire for social approval, the desire to please the crowd, people accept many doctrines without testing them for truthfulness

    10) One writer has put it: “The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed, in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.”

    11) The very fact that clergymen admit privately and sometimes even publicly that many doctrines are implausible and false should make one want to check his beliefs with the Bible.

    12) Dr. W. L. Pettingill of the First Baptist Church in New York city said: “Religious teaching that is dished out now is a curse and not a blessing. . . . Most of it is false religion which ignores the teachings of Christ. . . . Ninety-nine per cent of religion in this city should be scrapped because one cannot believe man and God at the same time.”—New York Times, October 10, 1949.

    13) Clergyman, Dr. Daniel A. Poling, answered a question in the March, 1957, issue of the Christian Herald in the column “Doctor Poling Answers Your Questions.” To a questioner who had heard that there were at least eighty false doctrines in popular religion this clergyman writes: “As to false doctrines there may be 80 or there may be a thousand.

    14) Does ... the Bible, whitewash false doctrines, dismiss them as something trivial, as if the Christian is under no responsibility to know whether or not he is believing truth or error? What are we to think of a Christianity with false beliefs “quite beyond numbering”? Said Jesus Christ: “There is not a fine tree producing rotten fruit.” False beliefs are rotten fruit that identify religious organizations according to the rule stated by Jesus: “Each tree is known by its own fruit.”—Luke 6:43, 44

    15) God’s Word declares: “Keep testing whether you are in the faith, keep proving what you yourselves are.” (2 Cor. 13:5) There is nothing to fear by making this test, by proving our beliefs by the only standard for judging religious teachings—the Holy Bible. Indeed, we should fear not to make this test. Christians must not be man-pleasers but God-pleasers.

    16) Using the Scriptures to test doctrines is the course commended in the Bible. When Paul and Silas went to Beroea, they preached to the Jews. How did these Jews respond to this Christian preaching? They “were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest readiness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:11)

    17) The Beroeans were not being fanatical or unreasonable. They did not rely on the word of man alone. The Beroeans made sure of all things. How? By “carefully examining the Scriptures.” This is the way Christians should test religious beliefs.”

    Do you agree that these points/quotes apply to ALL the
    Christian religions in this world?

    How do you think they will pass the Bible test of their
    - various beliefs -??? Remember the quote:
    “False beliefs are rotten fruit that identify religious organizations...”

    Btw , to be impartial , this “ TEST “ should be applied also
    to the Watchtower B.&T. Society of Pennsylvania ?

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    P.S. all quotes/points are taken from a wt. article published
    ...41 years ago! Yes, time flies, dear friends.
    (w. 15.4.1960 p.228-229)

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Hi JC,

    >>Do you agree that these points/quotes apply to ALL the
    Christian religions in this world?<<
    They should do, but do they? Hmmmmmm

    >>How do you think they will pass the Bible test of their
    - various beliefs -??? Remember the quote:
    “False beliefs are rotten fruit that identify religious organizations...”<<
    Can any stand?
    Should we leave all organised religion and study alone, led by holy spirit?
    Where do we then apply the well worn Hebrews 10:24,25 <vbg>?

    LT

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Mac,

    What a thought-provoking post!

    The problem of identifying the TRUE religion (as in church) is that it ignores the basic tenet of Christianity in that a disciple of Christ is to have a personal relationship in his heart with his Lord. Thus, looking or searching for the right religion takes on less of a fundamental issue. One Christian man expressed it to me that he is firstly a Christian, then a Baptist i.e. he is a Christian who happens to attend a Baptist church. This is so different to the Watchtower view. Recall that the second of the two baptism questions for JWs asks the candidate to recognise that they are "in association with God's spirit-directed organisation".

    Of course all churches are imperfect. So is the WTS. All church organisations are imperfect. So is the WTS. What is so wrong about the WTS is that they act as if they are NOT IMPERFECT. How so? By insisting with threats that the R&F obey each and evry one of their instructions and tenets of faith. If they truly believed they were imperfect they would not do that but recognise that all believers (and unbelievers) are sinners and so "we're all in the same boat" as it were.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
    Anonymous

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Ozziepost,

    excellent observation, I do agree
    entirely with you:

    "All church organisations are imperfect. So is the WTS. What is so wrong about the WTS is that they act as if they are NOT IMPERFECT. How so? By insisting with threats that the R&F obey each and evry one of their instructions and tenets of faith. If they truly believed they were imperfect they would not do that but recognise that all believers (and unbelievers) are sinners and so "we're all in the same boat" as it were."

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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