If jesus didn't want us to use the Our Father prayer than why did he say to pray then THIS WAY? The WTS seems to never use it as supposedly Christendom does.
Why does the WTS say not to pray this way?
by sinis 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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sinis
Crap they disn't come out right. Here's the link: http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat6.pdf
Matther 6:9-13
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Gilberto
Here is the reason the WT gives
w04 2/1 p. 8 "Lord, Teach Us How to Pray" "A certain one of his disciples said to him: ?Lord, teach us how to pray.?"?LUKE 11:1.
ON ONE occasion in 32 C.E., a disciple of Jesus observed Him praying. He could not hear what Jesus was saying to his Father, for it was probably a silent prayer. Nevertheless, when Jesus finished, the disciple said to him: "Lord, teach us how to pray." (Luke 11:1) What prompted this request? Prayer was a regular part of Jewish life and worship. The Hebrew Scriptures contain numerous prayers in the book of Psalms and elsewhere. So the disciple was not asking to be taught something that he knew nothing about or that he had never done. Doubtless, he was familiar with the formalistic prayers of the religious leaders of Judaism. But now he had observed Jesus praying, and he likely sensed that there was a big difference between the sanctimonious prayers of the rabbis and the way Jesus prayed.?Matthew 6:5-8.
2 Some 18 months earlier, in his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus had provided his disciples with a model upon which to base their prayers. (Matthew 6:9-13) Possibly this particular disciple was not present at that time, so Jesus kindly repeated the essential points of that model prayer. Noticeable is the fact that he did not repeat it word for word, indicating that he was not giving a liturgical prayer to be recited by rote. (Luke 11:1-4) Like that unnamed disciple, we too want to be taught how to pray so that our prayers will draw us closer to Jehovah. Let us therefore examine the fuller version of the model prayer, as recorded by the apostle Matthew. It consists of seven requests, of which three concern God?s purposes and four concern our material and spiritual needs. In this article, we will consider the first three petitions.*** w04 9/15 p. 4 The Lord?s Prayer?Its Meaning for You ***
The Lord?s Prayer?Its Meaning for YouTHE Lord?s Prayer, as given by Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, is found in the Bible at Matthew chapter 6, verses 9 through 13. Just before giving this prayer, Jesus said: "When praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words."?Matthew 6:7.
Clearly, then, Jesus did not intend that the Lord?s Prayer be recited word for word. True, he later repeated this prayer for the benefit of another audience. (Luke 11:2-4) But the wording of the prayer differs somewhat in the Gospel accounts of Matthew and Luke. Moreover, later prayers by Jesus and his disciples did not rigidly adhere to the specific words of his model prayer.
The footnote for Matthew 6:7 reads "do not babble words do not utter empty repetitions" Which is maybe different to saying the same things over and over.
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fullofdoubtnow
My study conductor told me that jehovah wanted to hear prayers said from the heart, and didn't worry if we stumbled if we were saying them. It didn't matter if they were short or long if they were sincere. When I asked about the lords prayer, she said that was a standard of what one might base ones prayers on.
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sinis
Here is the reason the WT gives
w04 2/1 p. 8 "Lord, Teach Us How to Pray" "A certain one of his disciples said to him: ?Lord, teach us how to pray.?"?LUKE 11:1.
ON ONE occasion in 32 C.E., a disciple of Jesus observed Him praying. He could not hear what Jesus was saying to his Father, for it was probably a silent prayer. Nevertheless, when Jesus finished, the disciple said to him: "Lord, teach us how to pray." (Luke 11:1) What prompted this request? Prayer was a regular part of Jewish life and worship. The Hebrew Scriptures contain numerous prayers in the book of Psalms and elsewhere. So the disciple was not asking to be taught something that he knew nothing about or that he had never done. Doubtless, he was familiar with the formalistic prayers of the religious leaders of Judaism. But now he had observed Jesus praying, and he likely sensed that there was a big difference between the sanctimonious prayers of the rabbis and the way Jesus prayed.?Matthew 6:5-8.
2 Some 18 months earlier, in his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus had provided his disciples with a model upon which to base their prayers. (Matthew 6:9-13) Possibly(love this word) this particular disciple was not present at that time, so Jesus kindly repeated the essential points of that model prayer. Noticeable is the fact that he did not repeat it word for word, indicating that he was not giving a liturgical prayer to be recited by rote. (Luke 11:1-4) Like that unnamed disciple, we too want to be taught how to pray so that our prayers will draw us closer to Jehovah. Let us therefore examine the fuller version of the model prayer, as recorded by the apostle Matthew. It consists of seven requests, of which three concern God?s purposes and four concern our material and spiritual needs. In this article, we will consider the first three petitions.*** w04 9/15 p. 4 The Lord?s Prayer?Its Meaning for You ***
The Lord?s Prayer?Its Meaning for YouTHE Lord?s Prayer, as given by Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, is found in the Bible at Matthew chapter 6, verses 9 through 13. Just before giving this prayer, Jesus said: "When praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words."?Matthew 6:7.
Clearly (Really?), then, Jesus did not intend that the Lord?s Prayer be recited word for word. True, he later repeated this prayer for the benefit of another audience. (Luke 11:2-4) But the wording of the prayer differs somewhat in the Gospel accounts of Matthew and Luke. Moreover, later prayers by Jesus and his disciples did not rigidly adhere to the specific words of his model prayer. (And they know this how?)
The footnote for Matthew 6:7 reads "do not babble words do not utter empty repetitions" Which is maybe different to saying the same things over and over.
Except your NOT saying the same thing over and over as in a chant with the Lords Prayer - the Prayer covers the needs of life and you are only asking ONCE. I love how they use the word "possibly" that the disciple was not there - they have no freaking clue. Is anything identical in the gospels?!?!? Jesus H. Christ, what a weak defense the WTS offers. So here we have the Son of God saying to pray THIS WAY, and now comes along the WTS that says no, don't use the prayer in praying, its just an outline. Hmmmm, sounds like they don't want to use the prayer as it might associate them with Christendom, whom the hate.
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Gilberto
Hmmmm, sounds like they don't want to use the prayer as it might associate them with Christendom, whom the hate.
I think thats about right.