Conversation with a Christian Fundie

by ringo5 6 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • ringo5
    ringo5

    OK, not a conversation of mine, but a parody of one, written by Robert G. Ingersoll, and a brilliant one at that. Quite long, but he covers all of the circular arguments that I knew of, plus a whole lot more, and is very entertaining. Here's an excerpt:

    QUESTION. Did Christ write anything himself, in the New Testament? ANSWER. Not a word. QUESTION. Did he tell any of his disciples to write any of his words? ANSWER. There is no account of it, if he did. QUESTION. Do we know whether any of the disciples wrote anything? ANSWER. Of course they did. QUESTION. How do you know? ANSWER. Because the gospels bear their names.

    Here's the link

  • ringo5
    ringo5

    This one is even better:

    QUESTION. Is it necessary to understand the Bible in order to be saved? ANSWER. Certainly not; it is only necessary that you believe it.
  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    Thanks Ringo. Good stuff.

    Dave

  • stealyourface
    stealyourface

    Ringo, thanks for bringing this up. Here is one of my favorites from his lecture 'Some Mistakes of Moses' illustrating the absurdity of literal belief vs. unbelief:

    Let me show you the result of unbelief. Let us suppose, for a
    moment, that we are at the Day of Judgment, listening to the trial
    of souls as they arrive. The Recording Secretary, or whoever does
    the cross-examining, says to a soul:

    Where are you from?

    I am from the Earth.

    What kind of a man were you?

    Well, I don't like to talk about myself. I suppose you can
    tell by looking at your books.

    No, sir. You must tell what kind of a man you were.

    Well, I was what you might call a first-rate fellow. I loved
    my wife and children. My home was my heaven. My fireside was a
    paradise to me. To sit there and see the lights and shadows fall
    upon the faces of those I loved, was to me a perfect joy.

    How did you treat your family?

    I never said an unkind word. I never caused my wife, nor one
    of my children, a moment's pain.

    Did you pay your debts?

    I did not owe a dollar when I died, and left enough to pay my
    funeral expenses, and to keep the fierce wolf of want from the door
    of those I loved.

    Did you belong to any church?

    No, sir. They were too narrow, pinched and bigoted for me, I
    never thought that I could be very happy if other folks were
    damned.

    Did you believe in eternal punishment?

    Well, no. I always thought that God could get his revenge in
    far less time.

    Did you believe the rib story?

    Do you mean the Adam and Eve business?

    Yes! Did you believe that?

    To tell you the God's truth, that was just a little more than
    I could swallow.

    Away with him to hell!

    Next!

    Where are you from?

    I am from the world too.

    Did you belong to any church?

    Yes, sir, and to the Young Men's Christian Association
    besides.

    What was your business?

    Cashier in a Savings Bank.

    Did you ever run away with any money?

    Where I came from, a witness could not be compelled to
    criminate himself.

    The law is different here. Answer the question. Did you run
    away with any money?

    Yes, sir.

    How much?

    One hundred thousand dollars.

    Did you take anything else with you?

    Yes, sir.

    Well, what else?

    I took my neighbor's wife -- we sang together in the choir.

    Did you have a wife and children of your own?

    Yes, sir.

    And you deserted them?

    Yes, sir, but such was my confidence in God that I believed he
    would take care of them.

    Have you heard of them since?

    No, sir.

    Did you believe in the rib story?

    Bless your soul, of course I did. A thousand times I regretted
    that there were no harder stories in the Bible, so that I could
    have shown my wealth of faith.

    Do you believe the rib story yet?

    Yes, with all my heart.

    Give him a harp!

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    I believe Jesus DID write something in the sand and he read from the OT...That tells me he had an education. I don't know where in the scriptures it says he wrote in the sand. Can you help me out there.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    Actually, you could say that about any book written by an author that is dead, and all that knew him personally are dead also.

    Warlock

  • ringo5
    ringo5
    Actually, you could say that about any book written by an author that is dead, and all that knew him personally are dead also. Warlock

    True, but how many books call themselves "the gospels"? Thanks Syf, I'll hadn't read that essay yet, but it looks good. I also learned Mark Twain was a fan of his, and that's a good endorsement in my book.
    One more passage to consider... QUESTION. What do you consider is the strongest argument in favor of the inspiration of the Scriptures? ANSWER. The dying words of Christians. QUESTION. What do you consider the strongest argument against the truth of infidelity? ANSWER. The dying words of infidels. You know how terrible were the death-bed scenes of Hume, Voltaire, Paine and Hobbes, as described by hundreds of persons who were not present; while all Christians have died with the utmost serenity, and with their last words have testified to the sustaining power of faith in the goodness of God. QUESTION. What were the last words of Jesus Christ? ANSWER. "My God, my God. why hast thou forsaken me?"

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