WT View on Unity of Belief (1 Corinthians 1:10)

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  • stevieb1
    stevieb1

    You may have read from my other posts that I'm going to be a victim of the WT Inquisition as I've told an elder that I disagree with the view that God is using an organization and that organization is the WTS. I know the elders will argue the point that we cannot have disunity in the congregation with one member believing one thing and another something else. They will use 1 Corinthians 1:10 as proof that we must be united in belief. Here are two comments on this verse taken from the WT-CDROM (1999). The comments made sound reasonable, but is the WT misapplying this verse and trying to create an arena of forced unity or uniformity. Any thoughts? Especially on 1 Cor.1:10
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    1 Cor. 1:10: "Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." (Such unity would never be achieved if the individuals did not meet together, benefit from the same spiritual feeding program, and respect the agency through which such instruction was provided. See also John 17:20, 21.)

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    Questions From Readers
    õ Why have Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?
    Those who voice such an objection point out that many religious organizations claiming to be Christian allow dissident views. Even some clergymen disagree with basic teachings of their church, yet they remain in good standing. In nearly all the denominations of Christendom, there are modernists and fundamentalists who greatly disagree with one another as to the inspiration of the Scriptures.
    However, such examples provide no grounds for our doing the same. Why not? Many of such denominations allow widely divergent views among the clergy and the laity because they feel they cannot be certain as to just what is Bible truth. They are like the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day who were unable to speak as persons having authority, which is how Jesus taught. (Matthew 7:29) Moreover, to the extent that religionists believe in interfaith, they are obligated not to take divergent beliefs too seriously.
    But taking such a view of matters has no basis in the Scriptures. Jesus did not make common cause with any of the sects of Judaism. Jews of those sects professed to believe in the God of creation and in the Hebrew Scriptures, particularly the Law of Moses. Still, Jesus told his disciples to "watch out . . . for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees." (Matthew 16:11, 12; 23:15) Note also how strongly the apostle Paul stated matters: "Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed." Paul then repeated that statement for emphasis.—Galatians 1:8, 9.
    Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." (New International Version) At Ephesians 4:3-6 he further stated that Christians should be "earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons."
    Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one's independently searching the Scriptures, coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these? Not at all! Through Jesus Christ, Jehovah God provided for this purpose "some as apostles, . . . some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers . . . until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man." Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity—oneness in teaching and activity—could be and would be possible.—Ephesians 4:11-13.
    Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah's Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth. The Roman Catholic pope, as well as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, professes such beliefs, yet their church memberships are exclusive of each other. Likewise, simply professing to have such beliefs would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
    That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah's sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ's foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ's Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.
    Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus' sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
    Similarly, the apostle John termed as antichrists those who did not believe that Jesus had come in the flesh. They may well have believed in God, in the Hebrew Scriptures, in Jesus as God's Son, and so on. But on this point, that Jesus had actually come in the flesh, they disagreed and thus were termed "antichrist." John goes on to say regarding those holding such variant views: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."—2 John 7, 10, 11.
    Following such Scriptural patterns, if a Christian (who claims belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus) unrepentantly promotes false teachings, it may be necessary for him to be expelled from the congregation. (See Titus 3:10, 11.) Of course, if a person just has doubts or is uninformed on a point, qualified ministers will lovingly assist him. This accords with the counsel: "Continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire." (Jude 22, 23) Hence, the true Christian congregation cannot rightly be accused of being harshly dogmatic, but it does highly value and work toward the unity encouraged in God's Word.

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    Unity is not the same as "uniformity." The Bible says the perfect bond of unity is LOVE. It offers freedom to differ in beliefs at Romans 14:1-5 which read. The only key beliefs for being fitly united in mind and heart are the easily agreed to ones at Hebrews 6:1-2: belief in God, Christ, God's spirit, laying on of hands (as in acts of kindness), God's judgment, resurrection, baptisms (symbolic by water, spiritual by God's spirit acting in our hearts and minds).

    Ask them if Jah made every flower the same color, the same fragrance? No, diversity is good and from God. To be an Biblical "apostate" is to be opposed to God Himself by being for an ungodly organization or individual. Is a group that hides pedophilia godly? Only a bad religion, sometimes called a cult, tries to force one view on multiple matters of religion onto all.

    The Watchtower presents a lack of Christian freedom. When they dump you you're invited to fellowship with others in the Free Christians movement who still love Jah but not the WTS misleadership: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian

  • nytelecom1
    nytelecom1

    thats it??.....all these antis and only 1 response to
    the Watchtowers claims?

  • cecil
    cecil

    hello stevieb1.

    I find your question/this thread very relevant - especially when you take into account, what last weeks wt-study told/taught...

    The wt-article studied was "Make Your Advancement Manifest". The article has been discussed in several threads weeks ago, with lots of interesting thoughts. (I'll see if I can find the those threads again...)

    Paragraphs 7-9 sounded like this

    7 In these verses, Paul explained that among the reasons why God made such ample spiritual provisions in the congregation are that all should ¡¥attain oneness in the faith and in accurate knowledge,¡¦ become a ¡§full-grown man,¡¨ and have the ¡¥measure of stature of Christ.¡¦ Only then will we be safe from being tossed about like spiritual babes by false ideas and teachings. Thus we see the close relationship between advancing to Christian maturity and gaining ¡§oneness in the faith and in accurate knowledge of the Son of God.¡¨ There are a number of points in Paul¡¦s counsel we do well to take to heart.

    8 First, since ¡§oneness¡¨ is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and ¡§the faithful and discreet slave.¡¨ By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided ¡§at the proper time¡¨¡Xthrough Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions¡Xwe can be sure that we maintain ¡§oneness¡¨ with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.¡XMatthew 24:45.

    9 Second, the expression ¡§the faith¡¨ refers, not to the conviction that each individual Christian professes, but to the totaloity of our belief, ¡§the breadth and length and height and depth¡¨ of it. (Ephesians 3:18; 4:5; Collosians 1:23. 2:7) In fact, how can a Christian be in onesness with fellow believers if he only believes or accepts a certain part of ¡§the faith¡¨? This means that we must not be content with knowing just the basic teachings of the Bible or having just hazy or partial knowledge of the truth. Rather, we should be interested in taking advantage of all of Jehovah¡¦s provisions through his organozation to dig deeply into his Word. We must endeavor to gain as accurate and as full an understanding of God¡¦s will amd purpose as possible. This includes taking the time to read and study the Bible and Bible publications, to pray to God for his help and guidance, to attend Christian meetings regularly, and to have a full share in the Kingdom-preaching and disciple-making work.¡XProverbs 2:1-5.

    It was quite interesting to hear the comments made. I have not attended a meeting for several weeks - and I intend to stay away in the future - but when I saw this article I became curious to know, in what way it might be used.

    And the way things worked out at the meeting show, that - even if "anewperson" is right: Unity is not the same as "uniformity" - jehovahs witnesses / the watchtower use the word unity and in reality they mean "uniformity". Jehovahs Witnesses are allowed to live their faith, their beliefs and to express themselves freely. But only if it is in TOTAL conformity and "unity" with what the faithful and discreet slave has expressed in the watchtower or other publications by the wt.

    How did Raymond Franz put it in his book "In Search of Christian Freedom", page 615:

    ...Unity based on a forced uniformity, though solid in outward appearance, is actually fragile. Unlike the unity based on truth and on love, the perfect bond of union, such imposed unity has no inner, natural strength, it survives only through manipulation, coercion and fear...

    Very well said. And - as a JW through 30+ years - I'm sad to say: How true for Jehovahs Witnesses and The Watchtower...

    cecil

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    Just because NYT asked...

    However, such examples provide no grounds for our doing the same. Why not? Many of such denominations allow widely divergent views among the clergy and the laity because they feel they cannot be certain as to just what is Bible truth.

    Similarly, the WTS cannot be certain as to just what is Bible truth, as they repeatedly admit in their doctrine of 'new light.' They excuse their many mistakes by claiming the light gets brighter, but that they do not yet have the full range of truth. Just like all those other denominations.

    They are like the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day who were unable to speak as persons having authority, which is how Jesus taught. (Matthew 7:29)

    The WTS is not Jesus. Only Jesus had that authority, something the WTS has never consistently claimed for themselves, rather excusing themselves by stating they are Bible students who strive to understand the Bible, not teaching with the same authority as Jesus. Thus the WTS is more like the scribes and the Pharisees than they would like to admit, especially when they go beyond what is written to make laws (such as deciding which blood fractions are OK, and which are not).

    Moreover, to the extent that religionists believe in interfaith, they are obligated not to take divergent beliefs too seriously.
    But taking such a view of matters has no basis in the Scriptures. Jesus did not make common cause with any of the sects of Judaism.

    Jesus was setting up a new faith, apart from Judaism, setting aside the Mosaic Law covenant. How is this in any way similar to interfaith movements between Christian faiths?

    Jews of those sects professed to believe in the God of creation and in the Hebrew Scriptures, particularly the Law of Moses. Still, Jesus told his disciples to "watch out . . . for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees." (Matthew 16:11, 12; 23:15) Note also how strongly the apostle Paul stated matters: "Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed." Paul then repeated that statement for emphasis.—Galatians 1:8, 9.

    Again, this was during the infancy of Christianity, when there was a real struggle against the dominant, Mosaic Law-influenced Jews. Today we do not have this unique situation.

    Galations 1:8,9 is unintentionally hilarious when applied to the WTS when they erroneously made up a teaching about alternative military service that forced JWs to go to prison without any Biblical support for the teaching (what they said, when they discontinued this teaching). Does the WTS view itself accursed?

    Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." (New International Version)

    And not be fooled into being swayed by Judaism, not the same thing as Christians using their conscience rather than being forced into conformity within an overall Christian belief system.

    At Ephesians 4:3-6 he further stated that Christians should be "earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons."

    Look at that scripture: don't the differences between Christians, especially within one church, NOT involve the body of the Christ, the spirit, the Lord, the faith, the baptism, and God and Father of all? Those are basics. People within a church tend to believe these things the same. The variance involves more conscience matters, and Ephesians does not talk about that.

    Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one's independently searching the Scriptures, coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these?

    Whoa! Where did "teaching" come in? People can believe what they want without necessarily jumping up to the pulpit. But the WTS includes this strawman so it can knock it down with...

    Not at all! Through Jesus Christ, Jehovah God provided for this purpose "some as apostles, . . . some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers . . . until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man." Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity—oneness in teaching and activity—could be and would be possible.—Ephesians 4:11-13.

    Strawman knocked down, while ignoring reality. Besides, Eph. 4:11-13 is talking about special gifts in the first century, "until we attain to the oneness in the faith." Again, this is talking about special circumstances back then while fighting against Judaizers. Today Christianity does not have to deal with this, and those gifts are gone.

    Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah's Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth. The Roman Catholic pope, as well as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, professes such beliefs, yet their church memberships are exclusive of each other. Likewise, simply professing to have such beliefs would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Here we see how those JWs who claim you can believe what you want as long as you keep quiet are wrong. The WTS, going beyond what is written, demands your very thoughts must conform to the ever-changing range of beliefs they teach. When they change (such as on alternative civilian service), you must change your very thoughts to match.

    Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus' sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.

    This is different, for these were specifically apostate teachings, not mere conscience matters. Ironically, for decades the WTS taught that the heavenly resurrection had already occurred in the 1800s. So "on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection" the WTS should be rightly branded as apostates.

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Stevieb 1,

    thanks for you post.

    Already Cecil gave you a good quote:

    "8 First, since ¡§oneness¡¨ is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and ¡§the faithful and discreet slave.¡¨ By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided ¡§at the proper time¡¨¡Xthrough Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions¡Xwe can be sure that we maintain ¡§oneness¡¨ with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.¡XMatthew 24:45."

    Very recent "message " and also Seeker:

    "Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses."

    To give a good answer, you can as -an argoment -
    their own statements such as the one found in:

    -Truth of God's word (w . 15.3.1974 p. 181 § 15)

    v. - men's teaching, which is contradictory,
    false, everchanging,based on personal opinion,
    "...human wisdom rather than God's revealed
    word of truth " (aw. 1.8.2001 p.4-6)
    The Bible is a sure guide for clear thinking
    (aw. June 22 2001 )

    and also these kind of statements:

    * "...not all doubt is bad. At times you need to suspend
    acceptance of something till you are sure of the facts.
    Religious exhortation to the effect that you should
    believe and should doubt nothing are dangerous and
    deceptive." (w. July 1, 2001 p.18-21)

    and from the above w, take this one, and kindly give
    to those who will visit you:

    "...An "expression" , a teaching or opinion, might
    appear to emanate from God. But did really come from
    him?"

    You wrote " they misapply...", well start to apply the
    above to ALL the WTS teaching, in the last 120 years!

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    -

    " One who has an accurate knowledge
    of God's Word will have no problem
    in refuting false religious ideas".

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