John 17 does not supports the Trinity

architect

I know that there are threads about the trinty on this site- but there is no end to the reasearch that can be had. When reading John chapter 17 you cannot help but see that Jesus had a relationship with his father. If Jesus is GOD in the flesh who was he talking to?

NeonMadman

The question demonstrates that you don't understand what the Trinity teaches. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in Trinitarian teaching, are three separate Persons who make up the one Being known as God. JW's who try to argue against the Trinity usually attempt to distort the theory into modalism, i.e., that the three are actually only one person. That is not what the Trinity doctrine teaches. Since they are separate Persons, there is no problem with their having relationships with each other.

cabasilas

You would have a point if the Trinity teaching was that Jesus = Father.

But, that's not what it teaches.

architect

Where can I find this accurate information?

cabasilas

Speaking of John 17:

"All I have is yours and all you have is mine, and in them I am glorified." (John 17:10)

Whoa...all God has is Jesus' too?

cabasilas

Here's a start:

http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/faith/foundations/trinity.htm

Christians believe that God is three persons in one nature - God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit. We do not believe that there are three Gods, but one God in three persons. The divine persons are distinct from each other, but relative to each other and share one divine nature.

under_believer

For the record there are many different kinds of Trinitarianism. The JW strawman is that all understandings of the Trinity are Modalism. There really are some Modalist Trinitarians, but most of Christianity, as already mentioned, is not Modalist.

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