Hi,
I’ve read a couple of things on the Internet that say that Revelation was written in Egypt.
Is this true?
Does anyone know about this?
I bet someone does - I occasionally see some really great posts around here.
- Thanks in advance
Did Revelation come from Egypt?
by WhatSexRU 6 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Leolaia
Do you have a link?
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WhatSexRU
Hi Leolaia,
A friend on another forum pointed me to these:
http://www.papyrology.ox.ac.uk/POxy/papyri/the_papyri.html
http://www.papyrology.ox.ac.uk/POxy/beast/beast616.html
At issue is if “John the Presbyter” was the original author
- or if he was just copying
- or perhaps he was not the author at all.
And sorry about the weird formatting. As you can see I can't get a grip on the Cr/Lf. -
Leolaia
The Oxyrhynchus papyri are Egyptian, but that does not imply that the book itself was written in Egypt. Rather, these papyri are among the oldest texts to survive because the dry conditions in Egypt favor preservation more than most other places in the region.
The authorship of the book is a knotted riddle-in-an-enigma question, especially when trying to figure out who John the Presbyter was, whether this was a separate John than the apostle (which I believe is probably the case) and whether John of Patmos was a third personage, what relationship Revelation has with 2 and 3 John which were authored by John the Presbyter (as opposed to 1 John and John), etc. An additional question is whether the gospel or Revelation can be attributed to Cerinthus as certain individuals later claimed. Charles Hill has a great paper analyzing the evidence as it pertains to Cerinthus and he demonstrates that this early gnostic leader had an eschatology similar to that of Revelation but regarded it as pertaining to a false Christ and not the coming of the true Christ. Here is my write-up about this:
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Leolaia
I strongly suspect that much of the oracular material in Revelation is older than the '90s and derives from earlier Jewish-Christian apocalyptic tradition. See especially the signs that point to a time close to that of Nero (c. 17). The latest aspects of the book clearly are the epistles in the preface (which can be linked to John the Presbyter in their Asian provenance) and the concluding chapter. The older material however seem to reflect an Asian provenance as well...see the description of Babylon in ch. 17 which parodies the cult of Roma which flourished in Smyrna, Ephesus, and other Asian cities (and not elsewhere).
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WhatSexRU
Thanks. You kick ass. I never saw this. It’s funny how Google hits and misses your material. Let me read it a few times. I gotta go for now.
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PopeOfEruke
Leo
sorry for going off -topic, but did I miss the thread where you give a full description on a day-to-day basis of your Australian holiday? Would love to read that!!
Pope