Is the Watchtower Part of the Antichrist?(12/1/06)

by metatron 9 Replies latest jw friends

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  metatron

  The most recent Watchtower offers the usual nausea inducing, mind-numbing and jaw dropping sort of brazen hypocrisy they are becoming

  famous for by accusing other religions of being the antichrist.

  Page 5 of the Dec 1 06 Watchtower says the antichrist includes those that "falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly

  ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah by presumptously promising to achieve that which only Christ can do- bring about

  true peace and security".

  But the Bible says that the "Father ... has committed all the judging to the Son" ( John 5:22) Yet, the Watchtower freely demands

  that bodies of their appointed elders judge people's relationship to God and choose to accept or reject their repentance,

  acting as God themselves. If you take the place of Christ in judging, what does that make you?

  Still not impressed? Go into any Kingdom Hall and identify yourself as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Then, speak freely

  about Jesus in a personal way and make a point of calling him "Lord" repeatedly, as early Chrsitians did. What reaction

  will you get? Shunning? People drawing away from you? Sudden accusations of "apostasy"?

  If you can't speak about Jesus in a personal way, like Paul ( 1 Tim 1:12) among these people, what does that make them?

  Here's another one: Pick up any Watchtower volume at random. Now, search for any ( or all) articles about "Life

  experiences" of Jehovah's Witnesses. Try and FIND ANY LIFE EXPERIENCE THAT EVER MENTIONS CHRIST IN A

  PERSONAL WAY and gives him thanks. In fact, you might have a difficult time finding any reference at all to Christ

  in these accounts. If Christ is reduced to such a minor, perfunctory, almost irrelevant role - in contrast to early Christians - exactly

  what does that make the Watchtower?

  and finally, consider the Watchtower's official explanation of the Bible's statement that "there is one mediator between God and man".

  They apply this only to the 144, 000 and no one else. If they deny the mediator, what does that make them?

  metatron
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  choosing life

  The denying of Jesus being the mediator for all mankind, as the bible so clearly states, is very upsetting to me. And you are right that even mentioning Jesus on a regular basis or calling him Lord upsets the dubs.They seem to have set themselves up in his position. That is a scary thought. Salvation they claim comes from them and not from just accepting Jesus' sacrifice.

  Are they setting themselves up as part of the antichrist? I don't know. But I certainly would not want to be in their shoes.
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  Honesty

  Go into any Kingdom Hall and identify yourself as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Then, speak freely

  about Jesus in a personal way and make a point of calling him "Lord" repeatedly, as early Chrsitians did. What reaction

  will you get? Shunning? People drawing away from you? Sudden accusations of "apostasy"?

  If you can't speak about Jesus in a personal way, like Paul ( 1 Tim 1:12) among these people, what does that make them?

  You should have seen the looks and heard the remarks when I mentioned that I believe Jesus was really worshiped by his followers.
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  Quandary

  How true Metatron!!! Excellent post as usual!

  Q
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  Amazing

  Hi Metatron,

  In one way, I would have to agree that the WTS is part of what one might call the Anti-Christ ... if one believes that the Anti-Christ is a collective of fake Christian religious systems. I also wonder if the Anti-Christ may be a person that the Devil uses to mislead the nations ... in that case, the Anti-Christ would need and want something far more sophicated and more influential that the little pip-squeak organization of the WTS. Then again, the Anti-Christ could be allegorical of something more secular and ignoble than any religiously designed group ... in which case the WTS would not fit in at all.

  Jim Whitney
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  *jeremiah*

  The WTS is definitely an antichrist, but not the Antichrist. I think, as far as the bible is concerned, they are definitely a "wolf in sheep's clothing".

  15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.(Matt. 7:15)

  18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come.(1 Jn 2:18)

  22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father.(1 Jn 2:22,23)

  There are so many passages in the bible that point to THE Antichrist as one man. Sure, there have been many "antichrists" throughout history(Hitler, Nero, WTS, etc, etc,), but according to the bible the antichrist will be identified as the man who will at some point sit in God's temple and proclaim to be God.

  3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness [ b ] is revealed, the son of destruction, [ c ] 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.(2 Thess. 2:3-4)

  ...there are also many prophecies about the antichrist in the book of Daniel also.

  Personally, based on this information, I believe that the WTS, since they deny the Son, will accept or bow down to The Antichrist when he does come. The WTS will instruct through "new light" that this is what their members are supposed to do.
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  fullofdoubtnow

  Good post metetron, spot on with your observations. It intrigues me hoe jws would treat people who refer to Jesus as "Lord", as for two separate periods of their history, the wts referred to him in such a way. It's one of their many doctrinal flip flops.

  Who is The 'Lord' as mentioned in Romans 10:12-16

  • 1903 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
  • 1940 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.
  • 1978 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
  • 1980 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah

  http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/flip-flops.html

  You would think an organisation supposedly endorsed by Jehovah himself would get that right the first time, would'nt you?
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  SirNose586

  You would think an organisation supposedly endorsed by Jehovah himself would get that right the first time, would'nt you?

  But fullofdoubt, you do know that they are "tacking," right? One of these days they will have the truth. In the meantime they are allowed to make mistakes, because this leads them ever closer to the truth.
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  fullofdoubtnow

  One of these days they will have the truth. In the meantime they are allowed to make mistakes, because this leads them ever closer to the truth.

  lol Sirnose, very tongue in cheek. The problem with that "theory" would be that they have made the same mistake several times. Go to the link for quotes and look at the flip flops on whether the men of Sodom and Gomorrah will get a resurrection or not, and you'll see what I mean. I hope that one day all their followers will learn the truth - about them.
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  Gopher

  In response to this part:

  But the Bible says that the "Father ... has committed all the judging to the Son" ( John 5:22) Yet, the Watchtower freely demands that bodies of their appointed elders judge people's relationship to God and choose to accept or reject their repentance,acting as God themselves. If you take the place of Christ in judging, what does that make you?

  This is where Christianity's source document (the New Testament) is partly at fault. Paul in one of his letters spoke about judgment, and said "Do you not judge those on the inside, while God judges those on the outside?"

  So it's open to interpretation -- was Jesus talking about a final judgment, while Paul was talking about inner-congregation discipline? Or did Paul overstep his bounds by commanding the older men to sit in judgment?

  The JW's, like most all religions based on written documents, can pick and choose which part of that document they apply to themselves.