3 Salvation Concepts

by Amazing 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    If Salvation could be compared to trying to get from Los Angeles to Santa Catalina Island (about 20 miles out in the pacific) and you could not take a plane, helicopter, or take a boat, but you could only try to jump or swim, then Salvation might look like this:

    The Typical Protestant View of Salvation: No matter how strong you are, or how well you can make the long jumps, no one can jump 20 miles. Jesus died and made the jump for you so that you do not have to jump in the first place. But, out of love for God, in response to the Holy Spirit, you live in accord with Christ as though you have already been taken to Santa Catalina. When you die, God will immediately beam you to Santa Catalina, because Jesus loves you and gave you the right to be there through his own jump. God loves you and accepts you on that basis.

    Catholic and Orthodox View of Salvation: True, no one can jump to Santa Catalina Island. Jesus death built a long bridge so that all you have to do is faithfully walk across the bridge that Jesus built, because you love the Lord and respond to the Holy Spirit. While its possible to do something stupid like jump off half way across and die, no one will really do that. But you at least need to show Jesus your willingness to do something, and walking across the bridge is not too much to ask. But, should you die on the bridge before your walk is over, God will beam you to Santa Catalina, because you were at least on the bridge that Jesus built, and God loves you as you are, where you are.

    Watchtower View of Salvation: You are alientated from God, and have no rights with God, and God does not love you because you are not in harmony with his organization. God does not even recognize that you exist. Your faith is dead, in fact was never alive in the first place, and you are in deep shit. Follow us and we will show you how to get across to Santa Catalina. And then maybe God might love you one day, but that probability is your responsibility because God has no obligation to love the likes of you. The GB will stand on the shore and shine a beacon across the water to where you need to go. Jesus died only to give you the right to think that you could try to swim to Santa Catalina. So, now, get into the water and start swimming. Be sure to follow all GB instructions so that you do not cramp up half way out and drown. Be sure to watch out for sharks, and if you get eaten, it was your fault for getting too close to sharks. The GB will also shine its beacon on the sharks so you can see them coming. If you might possibly make it to Santa Catalina, you will have to carefully work your way past barnicle infested rocks and then climb the cliffs for 1,000 years to get to your destination. Should you die before swimming all the way across, and you were faithfully following the Watchtower Beacon, and you did not foolishly get eaten by a shark, then God will resurrect you back on the mainland, because only 144,000 are allowed to go to Santa Catalina in the first place. But failure to try and swim there means that you will not be resurrected back on the mainland. The GB do not have to swim, because they have the work of shinning the beacon for you, and besides when they die they simply get beamed directly to Santa Catalina. We wish you well, and remember that our way is the only true way because the Catholics and Protestants are evil and do not care for the swimming sheep as the GB does.

    PS: It is also against Society policy to refer to the Island as Santa Catalina. Santa is the Spanish word for Saint, and Saints are a Catholic Invention. From here on, should you need directions, you must ask for Holy Ones Catalina Island. If you fail to state the WTS approved name for the Island, Jehovah will not recognize your long swim, even if you make it to Holy Ones Catalina.

    Jim Whitney

  • codeblue
    codeblue

    Interesting topic

    A couple of years ago, during my fade and on vacation, I went to a Sunday meeting with family (yes I have JW family, all live far away from me).

    The subject of the Sunday talk was about the great crowd surviving Armagedden (based on how they lived their life before) and how after 1,000 years would be tested again. The bright light hit me: WHY should I have to be tested again when I went thru hell surviving Armageddon, proved my integrity only to be tested again? How FAIR is this? The so called annointed only had to prove themselves once. The topic of being tested and re-tested just doesn't make any sense to me.

    Codeblue

  • tan
    tan
    The subject of the Sunday talk was about the great crowd surviving Armagedden (based on how they lived their life before) and how after 1,000 years would be tested again. The bright light hit me: WHY should I have to be tested again when I went thru hell surviving Armageddon, proved my integrity only to be tested again? How FAIR is this? The so called annointed only had to prove themselves once. The topic of being tested and re-tested just doesn't make any sense to me.

    I asked a sister that one time. What sense does it make to make it through Armagedden to be tested again and fail? I told her that I did not want to go through it again. She said "well think of it this way...you'll be perfect" -- my answer to her: Adam and Eve were perfect. No comment.

  • Jankyn
    Jankyn

    Ab-so-looot-ly brilliant, Jim!

    I saved this at home for my never-was-a-JW partner. She's always had a rough time grasping how different the JW view of salvation is, and I suspect that this description may clear it up a bit.

    Great work.

    Jankyn

  • My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW
    My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

    Amazing, I love a good analogy...and this is excellent. Keep up the great work! As Jankyn stated and I can attest to...when you are a nonJW, it is pretty much impossible to converse with a diehard JW about their totally convoluted proprietary ideas.

    The one way I can communicate effectively with my JW MIL is through the use of an analogy.

    My Sample that actually got my MIL laughing: JW reasoning for theorcratic organization being inspired. The early Christian congregation was theocratic and inspired, therfore if the modern day organization is also theocratic, then it must also be inspired/directed by God.

    My analogy is that using the reasoning above, if I wear #23, lace up my Air Nike's, go to the Chicago Stadium and walk onto center court, then I must be considered and can claim to be the modern day Michael Jordan.

    Your analogy for salvation is perfect. I shall add it immediately to the repertoire.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Jim:

    Holy Ones Catalina

    Are cats for Christians?

    The bottom line is that you shouldn't really even long to be on "Holy Ones Catalina", either, and God forbid you should suddenly get ideas above your station! The number was filled 70 years ago, and so what if the light on the sharks gets brighter and dimmer and brighter and dimmer? Just swim anyway, dammit!!!

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Little Toe,

    and so what if the light on the sharks gets brighter and dimmer and brighter and dimmer? Just swim anyway, dammit!!!

    Yes, the GB need to invest in energizer batteries!

    Jim W.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Ah yes, those ingenious little inventions that keep the Energizer bunnies going. Or was that the Playboy bunnies?

    My bad, it was the latter

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