Austerity to lavish and back again How does it affect JWs?

by Lady Lee 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    When I was first connected to the WTS (late 60s and early 70s) they took a certain pride in having humble looking Halls. The halls themselves were not by any means lavish or comfortable. The seats were plain stacking chairs with no padding and uncomfortable enough to keep you awake.

    The reasoning behind was two-fold:

    • The WTS was not like the churches of the world that had huge beautiful buildings that reflected "a showy display"
    • It was all going to be destroyed in 1975 so why bother building something that soon would be gone.

    The WTS always took the opportunity to be proud of their humble buildings.

    After I left in the mid 80s new halls were built that were by no means humble. They were (well the ones I have seen) lavish and comfortable with padded seating, carpets and many needed gates to keep vandals out. They were meant to last a long time and be beautiful and make JWs proud to be associated with a modern building that was attractive to the eye and kind to the behinds that sat in them. The "end" was no where in sight

    From recent changes many halls are doubled up with anywhere from 2-5 cong sharing the buildings. The WTS is going back to their roots, at least regarding the literature they publish. Everything seems to be cheaper, bound hardcover books are now small paperbacks that won't last long (most likely in the hopes no one will keep them to call them on their ever-changing beliefs), The Awake! is now published only once a month and the WTS seems to be begging for money all the time, even trying to get some from the government in the form of grants as a charitable organization.

    I wonder how the average JW views many of the recent changes in how the org operates.

    Is it possible that the new austerity is going to push them back into believing the end is so close that WT products are designed to not last long?

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet

    Lady Lee,

    I think you are spot on with this comment:

    Is it possible that the new austerity is going to push them back into believing the end is so close that WT products are designed to not last long?

    There have been threads from people still attending that suggest the wts believes that the "end" is very close now, as well as those rumours in the summer that this years' district conventions may well be the last they hold, though I am certain that they will be holding them next summer, and for many more summers to come, probably with dwindling attendances as the "system" carries on. Also, I spoke to a current jw in the past week, and some in her kh are convinced that armageddon is close, though she herself is far from convinced of that.

    I am sure the wts is well aware of the fact that many still attending kingdom halls are having private doubts about their doctrines, and see the "armageddon is close" propoganda that they are pushing more and more nowadays as the only way to hold on to these people. All these campaigns, like the recent tract distribution, will hopefully, from the wts's point of view anyway, distract the average jw from thinking too much about the real situation in his religion. The return to austerity may have the same effect, and I imagine that is the main reason behind it.

    dedpoet

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    In a Kingdom Hall I used to be in, the building was older, but the interior was nice.
    We had comfy padded stacking chairs, as most Halls do now in the U.S.
    We remodeled to improve the dark look from the 1960's which had not changed
    in the Hall for 25 years up to that point. The remodel was merely paint and woodwork.
    Labor was free. It was not that expensive.

    Later, the Kingdom Hall Operating Committee saw that there was still a bunch of
    money in the operating fund. They looked around and saw what could be improved,
    decided to spend the money. They repaved the parking lot. When it came up for vote,
    I asked why. They said it was uneven and difficult to shovel snow. I said snow is light,
    then many people shovel, NO BIG DEAL. Snow is heavy, then it is plowed, NO BIG DEAL.
    The majority of elders (5 congregations) voted in favor to repave- 10 Grand.

    Next, the wrought-iron fence was rusting at the bottom of each metal rod (the spacers that are
    every 5 or 6 inches). The committee decided to replace the fence- 10 Grand again.
    There were some brothers that offered to repair the fence, mainly by just cutting the rusty
    bottoms off the spacers and removing about 4 inches at the bottom of the fence. There are no
    real security concerns over such a minor change, as only dogs and squirrels could fit in under the
    fence, and they could already squeeze in-between the spacer bars. The brothers promised to weld
    any major problems, paint the entire thing again. They could fix it for $1500. The majority voted to
    replace the entire fence for 10 grand.

    They are building and fixing up for permanent use, not for Armageddon right around the corner.
    One of the elders that offered to fix the fence said "It is really easy for [the elders] to spend money
    that is not theirs on the Kingdom Hall. How many would quickly vote for spending $20,000 on their
    own home without investigating cheaper ways to deal with the problems, or just living with the
    problems?" That affected my mindset. When, in the next Kingdom Hall, (richer folks there) they
    wanted to remodel the entire interior of the Hall, I looked around and saw a 10 year old auditorium
    with clean walls and functioning lights. I saw nothing wrong with it. They said they needed new
    chairs and carpet, so why not remodel the whole thing. I said to get new chairs and carpet, forget
    the rest. They voted to remodel the entire interior of the hall.

    Later, a new fence and gate were discussed at an elder's meeting. The 4 congregations were
    discussing it separately and if each congregation agreed, they would just do it, without meeting as
    a big group. The body from my cong. decided to ask the publishers about it. So it was brought out
    at the service meeting- and they invited questions. I asked a whole bunch about why this nice
    neighborhood needed such security measures. Nobody else asked questions. Then they took a vote
    where all the elders were in favor of the fence and gate- except for me. I was sitting near the front
    (coincidentally) and people saw me refraining from a YES vote. Next- those opposed. Along with my
    hand, there were about 10 others that saw the expense as extravagant. Still, the majority of the cong.
    was in favor (the other 3 congs. were also in favor) but the elders wanted to know why I was not in
    unity with them. "We discussed this." "It was mentioned, but not discussed." "We were in favor."
    "No, you never asked if the elders were in favor, you just said it sounds like a good idea, but we will let
    the cong. vote on it, because it's a big expense." "Why didn't you tell us you were against it before the
    vote?" "Why didn't you ask what we thought before the vote?"

    I am very surprised my BOE is not looking to DF me now in my fade. I have always been outspoken.

  • MeneMene
    MeneMene

    Lady Lee, you said, "even trying to get some from the government in the form of grants as a charitable organization." - - - I am shocked. With all the millions/billions they take in every year??? - - - And they don't even do any charitable work (that I am aware of). Isn't everything they "give" a loan - to be repaid with interest? - - - I also left in the mid 1980s. They were beginning to put in the comfortable theatre seats. Must have been the late 1970s, I visited a hall south of Atlanta had a sunken stage that gave you a feeling of being in a theatre.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Lady Lee,

    Greetings! Though the local hall was recently and beautifully remodeled (a few years ago [and the KH is not that old]), the local elders have proposed $XXXXXX in upgrades. And bringing the KH UP TO CODE?!? I've no idea of the remodel's current status, but I remember some friends, incredulous at the prospect, asking during the SM's raise-of-hands session, 'But why? Everything is so beautiful and in such good condition.' The last several months I attended meetings there were ongoing requests for money. I believe they adopted a $20 per publisher measure. Any wonder the push to get all the kiddies into the sheep dip?

    Another reason for outrage,

    CoCo

  • Scully
    Scully

    Here is an old thread of mine along the same lines: Found an Old Letter

    What really irritated me about this particular instance was that the congregation had already undertaken a major repair job to the KH roof, had not finished the job at that point, and had underestimated the cost of the job and were pestering the congregation for more money to finish. On top of that, they now wanted to undertake a major renovation to the interior of the KH, utilizing the Kingdom Hall Building Fund arrangement, which meant that we had to put the KH up as collateral in order to get the loan from the WTS. The KH was owned by the congregation, free and clear and appraised at around $150K at the time, and they were essentially signing it over to the WTS for a $30K loan.

    And then they had the audacity to inform the congregation that each publisher's "payment" would be $300. It was outrageous.

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