Who has Crisis of Conscience book? Mine is trashed...need your help

by RedPill2006 8 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  RedPill2006

  Dear friends:

  I had a personal copy of the CoC book and had to destroy it (my whole family are hardcore jws). Now, I have the opportunity for a conversation with somebody and I need to tie in some information from that book.

  It is the part where Ray mentions that he went once to a Gilead graduation and F. Franz was giving biblical explanations about a second Governing Body (Ray even quotes some bible verses from that talk).....showing that F.Franz was obviously deviating from the Governing Body idea.

  Do you remember that part? If I am not mistaken and I think I remember this part quite well, it was at the bottom of some page in small print.

  Please help. This is an important piece of my "speech" and I need a good evalution from the school overseer.... .

  Thanks for your help!

  RedPill.
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  talley

  Have you tried going to your Public Library? Many now have copies of Ray Franz's books.
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  drew sagan

  The books are available anywhere, but Ray actually has a CD of a talk given by Fred Franz where he destroys the 'governing body' idea, plus a little commentary added. Its available at his website:
  
  Commentary Press
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  stevenyc

  RedPill, there's about seven pages dedicated to that talk. If you want a passage quoted you'll have to be more specific. I'd take Drew's advice and get the talk from commentary press. It's about $5.
  
  steve
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  RedPill2006

  If you want a passage quoted you'll have to be more specific

  I can't order anything from that page! (its all physical products, my family will kill me....my country does not have books on R.F. in the library. I could at most order ebooks from lulu press, which i did in the past, but they dont have it either) im kind of "not free" to roam around for stuff like this...if you understand.

  the specific part i need is the bible quotes he used, mentioning that paul went to another place to talk with "another GB" not the one in jerusalem.....he compared two bible quotes against each other. i don't need the whole 7 pages.....i remember the details by memory, i just can't remember the specific bible scriptures....the person im talking to will only accept "bible based reasoning" (whatever that is, but to satisfy his mind)

  Thanks for your kind help.

  RedPill.
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  compound complex

  Dear Redpill,

  I just did a thread on this very subject: FWF Disavows GB: 9/7/75 - I will look up the URL and get back with CRISIS; I found it an hour ago and happened to look up the info on the graduation before spotting your request. I had trouble getting to your page so I hope I can find you again with the info you asked for. The piece is based on THE FOUR PRESIDENTS.

  CoCo
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  compound complex

  CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE

  INTERNAL UPHEAVAL AND RESTRUCTURE

  Page 79

  "...and where did they go, where did they report? There's the record, you read it for yourself in the closing verses of the fourteenth chapter of Acts. They went back to Antioch, to the congregation there, and the account says that they related things in detail to them, to the congregation that had committed them to the undeserved kindness of God for the work they had performed. So there's where they reported."

  9 It should be remembered that the whole basis for the Witnesses' teaching of a "governing body" arrangement and authority is that there was such an arrangement operating from Jerusalem in Bible times.

  FWF Disavows GB on 9/7/75 --- www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/126699/1.ashx

  Hope this is it!

  CoCo
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  RedPill2006

  BINGO!!!!!!

  That was EXACTLY the part I was missing.

  Thank you a lot CoCo and all the others!!! You don't know how much you helped! I'm doing some reverse-engineer(pioneer) work....

  RedPill.
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  ButtLight

  I'm doing some reverse-engineer(pioneer) work....

  Dont forget to turn in your time!