Was Mel the first Jew Basher?

by underaglassmoon 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  underaglassmoon

  Ok so the story go's . . . Until Jesus, Jews were Gods people. Under the rule of the Romans, these none pagans needed to go to the temple to serve the only God. What they studied was the laws of abraham, and other assorted history of what it was to serve God. The teaching was done by the scribes and Phar - a - sies. Or they at least held what paper document their where back then right? (Sorry if I I cant remember the whole thing)

  Then Jesus hits the scene, now the people keeping God's religion alive were not doing a good job. They were selling animals in the temple and not at Wal-Mart prices. So already in bad standing, they "the leaders keeping Gods religion alive" conspire to kill Jesus. Here is the part im really fuzzy on! They arrange to get Jesus taken to trial. And they are the ones who forsake his name, and a crowd too? So the "BAD" leaders and "ONLY" leaders, refuse Jesus. And whatever "Jews" that where there also claim Jesus to be a phony. So that was the grounds that Jews convent with God was broken?

  Now I can understand I guess that in order to have Christianity, you need to prove there is no more "GODS CHOSEN RACE" How many percentage of the "jewish race" were involved? and do you feel that the number involved validates destroying there "Contract"? I felt that the first humans screwing us over was a bit of an unfair angle, but there was no line of lineage here. It was just lead by the people who where in charge of keeping "Gods religion" alive. Any opinions on the matter?

  ps: this is my first Topic so go easy on me

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  PrimateDave

  Welcome under,
  
  No, Mel was not, of course. It is not a good idea to bash Jews, or any one based on ancestry or religious preference. That said, I think you have a point there about Christianity having to discredit Judaism in order to gain converts. But, at the same time it has been said, and I can't remember where, that Christianity has actually kept Judaism alive over the centuries as well.
  
  Dave
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  heathen

  When jesus died is when the mosaic law covenent was no longer to be enforced as law . The jews were no longer a chosen people and jesus would select people from all nationalities as his brothers and friends, all with equal opportunity . I don't get where you think Mel gibson was the first anti semite from , it's been around for a very long time , hitlers germany is best known for it's hatred for jews.
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  underaglassmoon

  Thanks for the insight Primatedave and heathen. The mosaic convenient angle is probably what I would want explained to me if possible. Who made the declaration that the mosaic law was terminated? Just from memmery , I thought it had to do with "the Jews" denying Jesus that lead to them no longer being the chosen people. If the then current Jewish leaders believed they were under this Mosaic law, who was it that claimed after jesus death that their covenant is now void? Was it one of the apostles? Who declared that Jesus death marked the end of the Mosaic covenant? Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Or if anyone know a former elder who can explain from the WTS view point how they reached this angle, that would be great to.

  PS. I was just joking about the whole Mel title. I thought it was funny that people felt the story of Jesus death according to Mel Gibson was "anti Semite" material. I figured cause of my question it made for a nice title.

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  PrimateDave

  "The mosaic convenient angle is probably what I would want explained to me if possible. Who made the declaration that the mosaic law was terminated?" - UGM
  
  Well, there is this "prophecy" in the book of Daniel which hints that the "covenant" would end after the death of the Messiah. It has been said that this prophesy refers to Jesus. Apply the rule of "a day for a year" and you wind up with years divided up into periods of "weeks". When I was a Witness, I understood that the final "week" of years, the seventieth, began with the appearance of Jesus at the time of his baptism. He preached in Judea and Galilee for 3 1/2 years and was then put to death at "the half of the week." Since his death provided the ultimate sacrifice, "sacrifice and gift offering" was no longer necessary according to the Law of the "Covenant".
  
  (Daniel 9:24-27)
  24 “There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.
  
  25 And you should know and have the insight [that] from the going forth of [the] word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·si´ah [the] Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. She will return and be actually rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in the straits of the times.
  
  26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Mes·si´ah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. “And the city and the holy place the people of a leader that is coming will bring to their ruin. And the end of it will be by the flood. And until [the] end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.
  
  27 “And he must keep [the] covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.. . ."
  
  Then, of course, the New Testament writings work out the ideas that the Jews had first pick at a special position in the new arrangement. Later, non-Jews were accepted since the Jewish nation as a whole rejected the Messiah. So goes the theology, which is not just a teaching of the Watchtower Society.
  
  Due to grave internal inconsistencies in the entire Bible, it is impossible to trust the prophecy found in the book ascribed to Daniel. Now, if someone like Leolaia would like to go into a more detailed explanation of the origins of the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27, that would be great. If you want to understand the unreliable nature of the Bible, I can recommend reading:
  
  Is It God's Word? by Joseph Wheless (old but interesting, especially from chapter 2 onward; go to the last chapter for a decent index of the book)- http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_wheless/is_it_gods_word/
  
  Biblical Nonsense by Dr. Jason Long - http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/
  
  Enjoy your search for knowledge.
  
  Dave
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  underaglassmoon

  Thanks Primatedave, yes that was the information I was looking for. So it came from the Book of Daniel, . . . humm. Would you happen to know how many prophecies in the Bible give exact dates for the period when it is to be fulfilled? Also thanks for the reading advise. I just found this site last weekend. Before then I never considered asking myself these questions. I plan on getting Is It God's Word? by Joseph Wheless , and C o C by the Ex GB guy. Any other reads for someone looking to expand their mind?

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  LittleToe

  But, but, but, I thought Mel Brookes was Jewish?!!!