LET'S PLAY SPOT THE SIMILARITIES! Taylorites #1

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  • truthsearcher
    truthsearcher

    I am on this discussion board for support because I am meeting with the local JWs to discuss Scripture and hopefully plant seeds of doubt that will eventually lead to them leaving the organization.

    You may also know that my mother was raised in a different cult , and was df’d for marrying my father (an outsider). This caused great suffering in our family, and we were shunned for many years. I have been researching my own roots, and have discovered some amazing similarities between the two cults which I would like to share with you. This is not to minimize the pain that any of you have gone through, or are going through right now. Rather it is to assure you that you were not alone in being a part of a cult, and there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    Maybe you are still an active JW. If you are reading this, notice the similarities between these CULTS and consider the organization that you have dedicated your life to.

    Name of Cult: Taylorites/aka Exclusive Brethren

    Founder: J. N. Darby (1800-1882), whose rejection of the authority of the Church of Ireland, in which he was ordained, led to the founding of the Brethren movement. He was a man of great brilliance and vanity, casting himself in the role of the apostle Paul. In 1820 that the ‘Plymouth Brethren’ movement started when a group of Christians met in Plymouth, Devon, in England, for worship and the breaking of bread without the support or use of ordained ministers.

    Similarities to WT: a group of independent Christians meeting together, under the leadership of a dynamic leader, rejecting the other church options of the time. They call themselves Brother and Sister.

    Early Schisms: In 1848 there was a deep division between Darby and the Plymouth brethren. Darby insisted on separating from people who disagreed with his interpretations of Scripture, and a significant number followed him and became known as ‘Exclusives’. They believed in a universal worldwide network of fellowships, with strong central leadership and a tight control of members.

    In contrast, the Plymouth Brethren were called ‘Open Brethren’. For them, each local assembly is independent and believers locally are themselves directly responsible to the Lord, not a human leader. This represents a major difference between the two sections of the Brethren movement. Note that I have been involved in the past with the Open Brethren and they were absolutely not cultic.

    F. E. Raven assumed leadership when Darby died but within eight years a major division took place. Those who disagreed with Raven formed a separate assembly. After Raven’s death (1903), his group was led by James Taylor Sr (1870-1953). He insisted that the discussions of the brethren in formal assembly were equivalent in importance to Scripture. Further divisions occurred in 1920, 1935, 1951, 1960-61, and 1970. James Taylor Sr was succeeded by his son James Taylor Jr who died in 1970. James Symington then assumed the Taylorite leadership, followed by John Hales of Australia.

    Similarities to WT: divisions among leadership over doctrinal matters, leading to many offshoot groups

    Bible Translation

    : Darby’s New Translation has the status of original holy writ

    Similarities to WT: Producing their own doctrine-supporting translation

    Location:

    There are assemblies in 288 cities, approximately 27,000 members worldwide, mostly of European descent, in the UK, Ireland, Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, France, Italy, Spain, South Africa, Argentina, Trinidad, St Vincent, Barbados, Jamaica, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and India. All meetings, whatever the native language, must be conducted in English.

    Similarities to WT: a drop in the bucket compared to orthodox Christianity

    Scripture undermined: In theory, Taylorites acknowledge the Bible’s authority, but in practice they compromise it. Raven wrote, ‘If I had to live over again I would study Scripture less and pray more. The great thing for a Christian is to get into his closet and pray. Prayer and meditation’ The statement tends subtly towards subjectivity and places the thoughts of a man above the Word of God.

    The Bible’s sufficiency is also undermined. For example, Taylor Sr taught that the Holy Spirit speaks in meetings of the brethren in addition to what is inspired and recorded in the Bible. He insisted that the Holy Spirit is giving us truth today which was not given to the apostles. This ‘new light’ weakens the authority of the Bible over the lives and consciences of the members. They better not reject the teaching given by the ‘man of God’. Therefore members must give total allegiance to their leaders. Significant titles are given to their leader such as ‘the Lord’s representative’, the ‘contemporary Paul’, the ‘great man’ , ‘God’s representative on earth’. John S. Hales was described publicly as ‘the personification of the Holy Spirit’. This status was bolstered by the claim that ‘new light’ was being given to members by God, uniquely through him. As a consequence, the leader’s interpretation and application of Scripture are regarded as binding on members.

    Similarities to the WT: New light (yes they use these same terms!), elevation of Men over the the Bible. Allegiance to men as being God's representative and channel of truth.

    Legalism:

    teaching on ‘separation’ is based partly on 2 Corinthians 6:17 and Amos 3:3. Taylor Jr developed this teaching, appealing to 2 Timothy 2:19-22 as their ‘Magna Carta’. These verses are regarded as the divinely given basis for disassociating oneself from ‘evil’. Separation is compulsory, especially where there is disagreement concerning doctrine and practice as taught by the ‘man of God’. Contact with those in the world should be minimal. In 1959 Taylor Jr began to further develop the ‘separation’ teaching, urging that members should not eat with non-members. Ten years later a member estimated that Taylor had given 150 new ‘directives’, and others were later added. The result is legalism, with consciences bound by human regulations rather than by the Bible.

    Examples:

    Members must not attend religious services outside their exclusive movement

    No joining a trade union or a professional association.

    They can't live in the same building with non-members; even a semi-detached house is unacceptable as it shares a common wall! This is applied to paths or drive-ways to houses and even to sewers.

    "Wordly" business links are also prohibited. They are dependent on one another for employment and financial security.

    TV, films, radio, novels, public swimming, a mobile phone or CB radio are all banned. Computers as well as faxes are outlawed. In 1982 their leader, James Symington, maintained that computers are linked to the Antichrist. As a result, many members changed careers to comply with this ‘truth’.

    No life insurance

    Restrictions on travel

    Where possible education should be within the cult. College/university is prohibited.

    No house pets.

    Beards and moustaches are forbidden

    No dating. A couple who want to court and marry must obtain the approval of the ‘man of God’. .

    Similarities to the WT: like the Pharisees in the New Testament who distorted and added to the Law, placing a great burden on the lives of Jews, this group also goes beyond the Bible to create burdens on its followers

    That is all for now, next post I will discuss one of their key control practices: Disfellowshipping! I hope some of you found these ramblings interesting,

    TS

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  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    Ok, you tell me, which of these two looks the creepiest? Darby on the left is the Exclusive Brethren and old Charlie Russell of the IBSA on the right.

    For a cult that wont allow computers they sure have a nice website. Blasphemy!

    These guys seem eerily familiar...

    http://www.theexclusivebrethren.com/default.asp

    W.Once

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  • truthsearcher
    truthsearcher

    Good photo, W. Once. Now we just need Joseph Smith to round out the club...

    Your observation about the webpage hits the nail on the head. Here is what an exEb had to say about that matter:

    "I left the Exclusive Brethren ten years ago and know all three of the respondents. My reason for leaving was simply that it seemed hypocritical to me to publicly denounce the use of computers, while at the same time privately condoning their use for running their own organisation.

    At the time that I left the organisation, virtually all UK members of the sect had to sign a form once a year, agreeing to their details being held on a computer database (the Exclusive Brethren called it an ‘Addressing System’). This consent was needed to satisfy the requirements of the Data Protection Act.

    But we were also urged to approach schools attended by our children to witness to the wickedness of computers! Their justification for this contradiction between what we did and what we said was that ‘worldly people’ would not understand the ‘special’ use of the computer for the ‘Lord’s work’ at the Brethren publishing house.

    Their attempts to justify this attitude helped me make up my own mind as to the deceit involved."

    Anyone else out there care to comment?

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  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree

    I recently took the time to go through Rick Ross's site. I went to the beliefs section of many religions Web sites. Well Lo and Behold! I found the truth in at least FIVE different places. WT beliefs are so common its almost unbelievable. In fact it helped me understand why they cling so tenaciously to 1914, blood, no cross and the FDS. Those are the only ones not readily duplicated in these other religions. These set the JWs as different.

    tsof

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  • uninformed
    uninformed

    Thank you for the information and the great post.

    It is just short of fascinating to see how these cultish religions operate.

    I am going to look up some info on the Open Brethren. Do you have a site in mind for that?

    Brant

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