We were watching a program called 'Blood Years' on some channel. It was about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I was commenting about how I would hate to live in a place like that with such violence all around. She commented about how they are fighting in the place that Jesus once walked. Then she said that it was a 'sign of the times' (she says that all the time). She said it was bible prophecy. She asked me did I know what that prophecy was and I said no (I'm not a religious person). She said the prophecy was that when the 'Disgusting Thing' entered the holy land that the end was near. I didn't say anything (it's no use arguing with her) but thought to myself that they've been fighting like this for years and the end hasn't come. My question is ... What is the 'disgusting thing'? I thought it was false religion (all religions except JW) or the UN or something. The way she was talking she was saying that the disgusting thing is all the fighting and violence. I would appreciate any comments or questions I could ask her about what she said.
My roommate and I were watching TV the other night...
by oppgirl63 8 Replies latest jw friends
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carla
There has been fighting and violence in those parts since the dawn of time. A jw can give you the most recent explanation of the 'disgusting thing'. What watchtower followers forget is that Christ Himself said there would always be wars, and poverty and the like, not to be frightened
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mar 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for [such things] must needs be; but the end [shall] not [be] yet.
Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end [is] not by and by. -
Inquisitor
What is the 'disgusting thing'?
If you mean "where did she get that term from?", "disgusting thing" is found in the following Gospels:
Matthew 24:15-22 15
"Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house; 18 and let the man in the field not return to the house to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that YOUR flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.Mark 13:14 14
"However, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it ought not (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains.How this "disgusting thing" is interpreted depends on which Doom-saying Christian you speak to. Judging from her response, your housemate is unlikely a JW.
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oppgirl63
She is a baptized JW.
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blondie
Actually, this is one of those teachings that the WTS "updated" recently. They used to teach that the League of Nations (replaced by the UN) was the disgusting thing that the "Christian" religions put in the place of the kingdom of God in 1919.
They recently said that this is a future event.
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w825/15p.16TheSignsoftheTimes—WhatDoTheyMeantoYou?***18
In modern times a "disgusting thing" opposed to God’s kingdom and far mightier than Imperial Rome stands in a "holy place." It is the U.N., made up now of 157 nations and including superpowers that possess enough nuclear armaments to blast mankind off the face of the earth many times over. This successor to the League of Nations is "disgusting" to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ and his disciples because it presumes to stand in the place of God’s kingdom in the hands of his installed King Jesus Christ, in the heavens. (Matthew 5:35; Mark 13:14) But Christendom also claims to have a "holy place." It is her realm of operation that has already been taken over in large sections of the earth by radical members of the U.N. Soon Christendom’s religious systems, and any claims she makes to being a "holy place," will be desolated just as completely as was the anti-Christian Jewish system in 70 C.E. As Revelation 17:5, 16, 17 shows, all segments of false religion worldwide—"Babylon the Great"—will be devastated at that same time, preliminary to the war at Armageddon, the finale of the "great tribulation."—Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21.
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w829/15p.18HighTimetoFlee!***When Britain and America took the lead in proposing the League of Nations in 1918, the churches of Christendom gave wholehearted support. The Federal Council of Churches of Christ in America hailed it as "the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth." What blasphemy! To say that a combine of the political nations of Satan’s world could be God’s kingdom on earth! A disgusting thing, an abomination, indeed, in the sight of Jehovah and of those truly standing in the "holy place" as ambassadors on earth of the now ruling "heavenly Jerusalem"! And what have the world’s clergy said of the League’s successor, the United Nations? They have described it variously as ‘the sole hope of survival’ for mankind, "the last hope of concord and peace" and the "supreme forum of peace and justice." As with the League of Nations, they place it in "a holy place" by claiming that it will bring about what God’s kingdom alone is capable of accomplishing.
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w859/1pp.24-25God’sMinistersProveTheirQualification***Moreover, if the clergy of Christendom admitted that the events of 1914-18 marked the start of the end for the old system of things, they would be obliged to acknowledge the other features of "the sign" of Jesus’ "presence" and would have to take part in the fulfillment of his words: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations." (Matthew 24:14) That would mean preaching, not the Gospel they have preached for centuries, but the good news of the Kingdom established in heaven at the close of the Gentile Times in 1914. They would have to renounce the League of Nations as "the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth" and view it and its successor, the United Nations, as ‘the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.’ (Matthew 24:15, KJ) But down to the year 1985, the clergy of Christendom refuse to brand the League of Nations and the United Nations as that "abomination," or "disgusting thing.
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w995/1pp.17-18"LettheReaderUseDiscernment"***16
Since the start of the great tribulation is yet future, is the "standing in a holy place" still ahead of us? Evidently so. While "the disgusting thing" made its appearance early in this century and has, thus, existed for decades, it will take a position in a unique way "in a holy place" in the near future. As first-century followers of Christ must have keenly watched to see how the "standing in a holy place" would develop, so do present-day Christians. Admittedly, we will have to wait for the actual fulfillment to know all the details. Yet, it is noteworthy that in some lands there is already a detectable and growing antipathy toward religion. Some political elements, in league with former Christians who have deviated from the true faith, are promoting hostility against religion in general and true Christians in particular. (Psalm 94:20, 21; 1 Timothy 6:20, 21) Consequently, political powers even now "battle with the Lamb," and as Revelation 17:14 indicates, this fight will intensify. While they cannot literally get their hands on the Lamb of God—Jesus Christ in his exalted, glorified state—they will further vent their opposition against God’s true worshipers, his "holy ones" in particular. (Daniel 7:25; compare Romans 8:27; Colossians 1:2; Revelation 12:17.) We have divine assurance that the Lamb and those with him will be victorious.—Revelation 19:11-21.
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Inquisitor
She is a baptized JW.
Really? How odd. If she was a practising JW, she should know that JWs do not regard modern day Palestine/Israel to be involved in prophetic fulfillment. Such ravings tend to come only from the more mainstream Christain preachers.
She said the prophecy was that when the 'Disgusting Thing' entered the holy land that the end was near.
Unless, they've revised this understanding about the Holy Place??
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*jeremiah*
Hi oppgirl,
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "
Daniel 9:26-27His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
Daniel 11:30-32"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causesdesolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Daniel 12:10-1214 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' [a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.(Matt. 24)
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' [a] standing where it [b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.(Mark 13)
I can't speak for all christians,...but if you read the above scriptures in context,...in short, it looks like there will be a man,...an AntiChrist, who will set up an abomination in the newly rebuilt Jewish 3rd temple. What that abomination is the bible doesn't make completely clear. However, according to scripture the Antichrist will set himself up in the temple and proclaim to be God. So the "disgusting thing" will be the Antichrist setting something up in the temple. Something will be put in the temple that doesn't belong. It could be the Antichrist sitting in the temple himself and proclaiming to be God and demanding worship. He could also set up some kind of statue of himself and demand it be worshiped.
3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness [a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.(2 Thess. 2)
When this occurs,..the Jews are instructed to flee. This remnant of Jews or 144,000 (Not JW's) will turn to God and will be protected from the Antichrist.
6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. (Rev. 12)
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rekless
Simply put; it was the Roman army entering into the temple and destroying it. It has no meaning for today. Everything that is typical has an anti-typical mwaning and any body can analyze the scriptures and then apply what happened years before to things that has recently happened.
It is like they told us, the brothers said, If the coal company delivers the coal we will know that God is with us. The coal was delivered and guess what...
Read the thesis "I, Daniel" very good explaination of the discusting thing.
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free2beme
You can see bible prophecy fulfilled in anything, and Christians normally do.