An Entity with 200,000 members could be Banned

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  • Kent
    Kent

    Another reason for the Watchtower to be involved in the UN, Human Rights Without Frontiers, CESNUR, FIREPHIM and other organizations. This is from a CESNUR page:
    http://www.cesnur.org/2001/chile_july_01.htm

    "An Entity with 200,000 members could be Banned"

    by O. Santa Maria/H. Cossio (“Las Ultimas Noticias”, April 6th, 2001)

    According to police reports, they isolate their member from society. They respond that they only teach the Bible.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses, who habitually knock on doors to announce the soon coming end of the world, appear in the list of cults that are a danger to society, turned in on Wednesday by a special commission of the Chamber of Deputies to the Minister of Justice.
    The members of Parliament on the Commission of Religious Cults--that studied the charges against the Tibetan Center of Studies--received reports and testimonies from the police that motivated suspicion that some 26 organizations can have a harmful profile. (see list at end of article).

    The deputies requested that Jose Antonio Gomez, Minister of Justice, order an investigation and, if the antecedents were proved, to cancel the legal registration of these organizations.

    According to the information obtained, police reports exist that arrived at Parliament characterizing the Jehovah's Witnesses as a group that isolates its members from society (forbidding the reading of novels, newspapers and magazines, not allowing them to watch television, amongst other forms of communication) and foments the rejection of patriotic symbols such as the flag and the national anthem. Plus, their members consider the honoring of these symbols to be pagan rituals.

    The reports suggests that punishments exist for whomever transgresses these norms. Besides this, it comments on some of their characteristics, such as falsely announcing the end of the word in 1914, 1925 and 1975; their refusal of blood transfusions and a wide variety of celebrations, such as birthdays and Christmas.

    “We are not a cult”
    Yesterday, the legal representative for the Witnesses, Pedro Lobato, refuted the mention of their group in this category. “We are not a cult, our focus is the Bible. We believe that it is not God's will to take everybody to Heaven, only the meek. We are 60,000 Witnesses in Santiago and 200,000 in the whole country,” he briefly commented.
    He pointed out that they will not have a formal opinion about their inclusion in the list of cults until they receive an official notification from the Department of Justice.

    At their Congregation in Cerrillos, the Witness member Rebeca Jara responded very upset: “Cults are satanic and we don't even believe in spiritism like evangelicals, who scream and jump, and the Catholics. Our job is to help people to learn about the Bible. We don't have any rituals and we don't harm anyone.” Jara added that the Elders (pastors) guide the congregations.

    Concerning the religious association “Our Lady of Fatima”, which at first had connected them to the list of cults, the leader at their headquarters in Santiago, Felipe Lecaros clarified that “we are a laic organization, with pontifical rights, recognized by the Holy See as well as the Archbishopric of Santiago.”

    Our Lady of Fatima, or Heralds of the Gospel received the approval of the Pope February 28th of last year, after a ceremony at Saint Peter's Church.

    Suspects
    Unification Church (Moon cult)
    Church of Scientology
    Children of God/The Family
    Church Universal of God
    New Acropolis
    Universal Christian Gnostic Center
    Osho-Bhagwcan Rajneesh
    Nchiren Soshu Soka Gakkai
    Saja-Yoga
    International Association for Krishna Consciousness
    Transcendental Meditation movement
    Jehovah's Witnesses-Watchtower Editorial
    Lumen Dei
    Neocatecumenal Way
    Supreme Truth
    Revolutionaries for Christ
    Revolutionary Movement of Jesus Christ-Theocratic Movement and Martin Luther
    King
    Tamntrical Circle of the Supreme Ecstasy of the Divine Union
    Hare Krishna
    Church of Scientology
    Nevara or the Consecrated to God
    Amanda Marga
    The Holy Ones
    Followers of Satan
    The Mission
    Spiritual Congregation of Peace and Love

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Kent,

    You should Email this reporter and explain the wild double standard of the WTS leadership "associating" with the UN and supporting the UN's charter all the while members are rotting in jail all over the world because they are not allowed to join a manditory military call up or they get disassociated and shunned for just waving the flag!!!!

    Lets spread the "LOVE" around and LET'S ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    hawk

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns
    (forbidding the reading of novels, newspapers and magazines, not allowing them to watch television, amongst other forms of communication)

    The article is flawed because of this bit of sensationalism. Otherwise it makes valid points. I like the refusal of a "formal opinion", and the comment by the outraged sister. Very smart to go to the grassroots for an honest commment instead of going through the PR machine.

    Path

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    Now all the Commission of Religious Cults needs is a copy of all of Tallyman's pictures! That'll finish the job.

    April

    "Love never dies." Voivodul Vlad Draculea (from Bram Stoker's Dracula-1992)

  • Moxy
    Moxy
    Yesterday, the legal representative for the Witnesses, Pedro Lobato, refuted the mention of their group in this category. ?We are not a cult, our focus is the Bible. We believe that it is not God's will to take everybody to Heaven, only the meek. We are 60,000 Witnesses in Santiago and 200,000 in the whole country,? he briefly commented.

    did the reporter get the wrong guy here?? or is pedro just really confused. i think the reporter got his notes mixed up somehow, or at least badly misquoted this guy. there are 62,000 publishers in all of chile, and 155,000 attending the memorial.

  • Kent
    Kent

    Hi Hawk;

    Trying to tell the CESNUR anything is like talking to a wall! They are, since you seem to be unaware of the fact, an Organization in which the Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies, Church of God, LDS, COS and other has joined to fight counter-cult movments!

    This is a inter-faith society, in which the Watchtower is an active participant! They threatened to sue David Reed because he posted on his website their program, proving the Watchtower's Legal De should give talks on their convention.

    The leader of this crap is a highly controversial figure, and he's NOT one to be trusted! Besides being members of the "Dracule Society", he's a FreeMason, and he seems to use titles he's not entiteled to use.

    Check up CESNUR - and your eyebrows will end up in your neck!

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

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