Confession: JW style v Catholic-Orthodox v Protestant

by Amazing 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Several JWD posters asked me to address this topic:

    JW confession: It is not really a confession, even though confession may happen. That is why it is not called confession. Rather,the JW system is called a Judial Committee JC. The arrangement is a church government system by which there is an almost automatically assummed adversarial relationship between accused and the JC. The JC is at times all three of a court system: Judge, Jury, and Prosecutor. There is no advocate or defense agent. The JC court comes complete with notes and records designed to be used in the future if needed. The accused is always outnumbered by three or more elders. Elders are trained that the first goal of the JC is to first, and formost, protect the cleanliness of the Congregation. The JC becomes, in effect, a glorified bouncer group that rejects anyone that they feel does not fit in with the group. If, in the course of deliberations, the accused expresses sorrow for some transgression, then they are given a prescribed punishment. They are watched, and over time, gradually trusted again to have full membership privileges when they are no longer deemed a threat to the group. Counseling is not about healing, but further admonishion about the error of the accused, and how such ones should be grateful they were permitted to remain in the group.

    Protestant Confession: Usually does not involve the Pastor or church leadership. Confession to God alone is normally considered adequate. However, a pentitant may seek counseling from a Pastor,and often times it is about healing and rebirth. In some fundamentalists churches confession can turn into something that resembles what the JWs do, except it will still be about the restoration and healing of the individual.

    Catholic Confession: Forgiveness comes from God alone. One only has to pray for it. One confesses to a priest in the strictest of confidence, where it is one-on-one, with no notes, no allegations, and no threat of puinishment. It is only about using a human that one can trust completely, so that confession takes on a human touch. Once complete, the Priest gives absolution in recognition of what God has already done. When I made my first confession after 38-years, I broke down in shame about how I was so unkind toward the Church while a JW, and yet the Church was always kind to me, even paying $75,000 of my medical bills and asking nothing of me in return ... not even to come back to the Church. Confession is never about sins against the Chruch, but only those things that one does against God and against other people. The priest was not worried about anything I did to threaten the Church, but he was instead concerned about my healing, and he was fascinated by those ex-JWs who helped me in my journey home.

    Whether one is a Protestant or Catholic, confession is not about salvation, for Christ already paid the price. Rather, confession is about a loving relationship with God, and how one lives life in the Christian walk. Confession is totally interconnected with healing, and recognizing that a real relationship with God involves feelings and issues and living life. The difference between Protestant and Catholic confession is about the role of the Church. Either way, it appears to me to be something far and above different from anything the JWs could or would ever do. Confession helps us see how precious and valueable salvation is ... and is one way among many that an individual can recalibrate their walk with Christ in the Holy Spirit.

    Jim Whitney

    Jim Whitney

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Never been to a priest for confession. I always understood that we should confess our sins to God. But then God already knows our sins, Right? So then I decided it was about having a relationship with God and discussing your problems with him. Like always having a best friend ready to listen and accept you unconditionally. Worked for me.

    I could never understand the jw version of confession. I have sat in on a few judicial comittees. They are not about really helping you, more about making sure you know just how bad you have been and groveling for forgiveness from men. And of course, finding out who knows, so that the congregation is never made to look bad. Way too phoney for me. I have seen two people who did the same thing get reproved differently, one privately and the other publicly. All about who knows and putting the fear of man in them.

    I will stick with God because he never makes me feel worthless or worries about his reputation. I have seen other ministers who truly counsel and try to raise a person up who is feeling down. That is alright, but it must be totally voluntary.

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    Good post Jim

    Confession is possibly THE main thing I miss about the RC church - when I first left it was because I was scared that my sins might not get forgiven, it took a long time to get that properly out of my system, maybe I still haven't yet but like you say, confession isn't about salvation, it's about healing relationships - with God and others.

    Connected to the relationship point, I wonder if the 'downside' of RC confession is that some make the wrong assumption that going to confession is the only part that is required for forgiveness - whilst neglecting or ignoring reparation/restitution to any other person hurt by their actions or omissions - and the comittment to making every effort not to offend again.

    Both RC and Protestant confessions involve no judgement or punishment - a great recognition that Christ has already paid the price.

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    Something I've never agreed with, JCs. The 'Elders' put themselves in a position of reading a person's Heart, and no man can do that.

  • NanaR
    NanaR

    Jim,

    When I was growing up, my father was the congregation servant. I remember how he used to agonize over Committee meetings, and I have to believe that he tried his best to help people through the process. The "system" may not have been forgiving, but my father was.

    Fast forward to several years after my Dad's death, and hubby and I have 3 elders in our living room. They came, supposedly, to "shepherd" us, but they ended up grilling my youngest daughter about a report that she had (OH MY) smoked A cigarette.

    This young lady was 14 years old, an unbaptized publisher, and my husband was a Ministerial Servant. My daughter, who had always been taught that the purpose of elders talking to one was to HELP them, confessed and repented in tears regarding the incident. She then proceeded to answer their questions regarding some of her friends, many of whom were engaging in conduct far worse than a one-time cigarette experiment.

    The end of the matter was that my daughter was removed as publisher with an announcement at the KH. My husband was removed as a Ministerial Servant for "failing to preside properly over his family" (even though the incident took place at an elder's home). None of the other young ones or their parents were punished publicly as we were. I was stunned, to say the least. This certainly was something that should have been handled privately, and could have been handled just within our family had someone made my husband and I aware of the situation before calling the inquisition. It was the beginning of my exit from the WTS (which still took many years).

    Needless to say, I have a very low opinion of JW confession....

    I have not yet had the privilege of participating in Catholic confession. But a good friend of mine who converted to Catholicism from an Evangelical Protestant background told me her thoughts on this. The first time she went to confess, before her confirmation in the Catholic Church, she was very nervous about it. She told the Priest that she had always believed that one should only confess to God, and wondered about the role of the Priest in the matter. The Priest told her that of course God is the only one who can forgive our sins. But he said, "Unless I give you some way to show you are really sorry, you may not be able to forgive yourself." My friend was astounded by this answer. Her first thought was, "You mean to tell me that 2,000 years ago the Church had an understanding of Basic Psychology?" The reasonableness of his answer reinforced her confidence that her decision to convert was the right one.

    I know that receiving a blessing from the Priest at my first visit to a Catholic Mass was an overwhelming emotional experience. I felt I was experiencing true unconditional love for the very first time -- God's love. For my whole life, I had felt "not good enough" to please God. Now I knew that pleasing God was not a matter of MY being good enough; His grace is "good enough" to make up for my deficits.

    I certainly believe that you are correct that JW confession is not about forgiveness, while the confession practiced by other Christian faiths is all about forgiveness and Living in Grace.

    Ruth

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    Good Points Jim, not much of a difference, I believe in the scriptural way of the elders looking after the flock but not the JC and the harassing of the sheep, and then setting one self up as the mediator for forgiveness. Christ said that only God and he could forgive sins, not necessary to go to men who are no different then us in being sinful.

    Matt 6:12 12 and forgive us our sins,
    as we have forgiven those who sin against us

    2 Thess 2:4 He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

    abr

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    Another one to add to your list:

    http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/conform.html

    NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!!!!!!!!

    BA- I Confess!

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