Shunning....Society bases it's stance on Early Roman Catholic Church!

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  • restrangled
    restrangled

    I am sure many of you long time members are very familiar with this Historian but for anyone who hasn't heard of him before, including myself, I think this is extremely helpful.

    The WBTS quotes the Historian, Edward Gibbon, to support their stance on shunning in today's world. (1988 Watchtower article on their website today, ....but since moved.)

    This was posted in another thread but I think it was lost. They cut up a sentence to suit themselves justifyingon their web page, the beneficial reasons for shunning... even giving it a special highlighted box.

    After I posted this info, it has disappeared off of the WBTS' main web page.

    Although this is a long read, it is well worth taking the time... it mirrors the Governing Body's attitude and witnesses in general.

    Take note this was written in the 1700s from Gibbon's book The History of the Decline of the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.

    It is the undoubted right of every society to exclude from its communion and benefits such among its members as reject or violate those regulations which have been established by general consent. In the exercise of this power, the censures of the Christian church were chiefly directed against scandalous sinners, and particularly those who were guilty of murder, of fraud, or of incontinence; against the authors or the followers of any heretical opinions which had been condemned by the judgment of the Episcopal order; and against those unhappy persons, who, whether from choice or compulsion, had polluted themselves after their baptism by any act of idolatrous worship.The consequences of excommunication were of a temporal as well as a spiritual nature. The Christian against whom it was pronounced, was deprived of any part in the oblations of the faithful. The ties both of religious and of private friendship were dissolved: he found himself a profane object of abhorrence to the persons whom he the most esteemed, or by whom he had been the most tenderly beloved; and as far as an expulsion from a respectable society could imprint on his character a mark of disgrace, he was shunned or suspected by the generality of mankind. The situation of these unfortunate exiles was in itself very painful and melancholy; but, as it usually happens, their apprehensions far exceeded their sufferings. The benefits of the Christian communion were those of eternal life; nor could they erase from their minds the awful opinion, that to those ecclesiastical governors by whom they were condemned, the Deity had committed the keys of Hell and of Paradise. The heretic, indeed, who might be supported by the consciousness of their intentions, and by the flattering hope that they alone had discovered the true path of salvation, endeavored to regain, in their separate assemblies, those comforts, temporal as well as spiritual, which they no longer derived from the great society of Christians. But almost all those who had reluctantly yielded to the power of vice or idolatry were sensible of their fallen condition, and anxiously desirous of being restored to the benefits of the Christian communion.
    With regard to the treatment of these penitents, two opposite opinions, the one of justice, the other of mercy, divided the primitive church. The more rigid and inflexible casuists refused them forever, and without exception, the meanest place in the holy community, which they had disgraced or deserted; and leaving them to the remorse of a guilty conscience, indulged them only with a faint ray of hope that the contrition of their life and death might possibly be accepted by the Supreme Being. 145 A milder sentiment was embraced in practice as well as in theory, by the purest and most respectable of the Christian churches. 146 The gates of reconciliation and of heaven were seldom shut against the returning penitent; but a severe and solemn form of discipline was instituted, which, while it served to expiate his crime, might powerfully deter the spectators from the imitation of his example. Humbled by a public confession, emaciated by fasting and clothed in sackcloth, the penitent lay prostrate at the door of the assembly, imploring with tears the pardon of his offences, and soliciting the prayers of the faithful. 147 If the fault was of a very heinous nature, whole years of penance were esteemed an inadequate satisfaction to the divine justice; and it was always by slow and painful gradations that the sinner, the heretic, or the apostate, was readmitted into the bosom of the church. A sentence of perpetual excommunication was, however, reserved for some crimes of an extraordinary magnitude, and particularly for the inexcusable relapses of those penitents who had already experienced and abused the clemency of their ecclesiastical superiors. According to the circumstances or the number of the guilty, the exercise of the Christian discipline was varied by the discretion of the bishops. The councils of Ancyra and Illiberis were held about the same time, the one in Galatia, the other in Spain; but their respective canons, which are still extant, seem to breathe a very different spirit. The Galatian, who after his baptism had repeatedly sacrificed to idols, might obtain his pardon by a penance of seven years; and if he had seduced others to imitate his example, only three years more were added to the term of his exile. But the unhappy Spaniard, who had committed the same offence, was deprived of the hope of reconciliation, even in the article of death; and his idolatry was placed at the head of a list of seventeen other crimes, against which a sentence no less terrible was pronounced. Among these we may distinguish the inexpiable guilt of calumniating a bishop, a presbyter, or even a deacon. 148
    Footnote 145: The Montanists and the Novatians , who adhered to this opinion with the greatest rigor and obstinacy, found themselves at last in the number of excommunicated heretics. See the learned and copious Mosheim, Secul. ii. and iii.
    Footnote 146: Dionysius ap. Euseb. iv. 23. Cyprian, de Lapsis.
    Footnote 147: Cave's Primitive Christianity, part iii. c. 5. The admirers of antiquity regret the loss of this public penance .
    Footnote 148: See in Dupin, Bibliotheque Ecclesiastique, tom. ii. p. 304 - 313, a short but rational exposition of the canons of those councils, which were assembled in the first moments of tranquillity, after the persecution of Diocletian . This persecution had been much less severely felt in Spain than in Galatia ; a difference which may, in some measure account for the contrast of their regulations.
    The well-tempered mixture of liberality and rigor, the judicious dispensation of rewards and punishments, according to the maxims of policy as well as justice, constituted the human strength of the church. The Bishops, whose paternal care extended itself to the government of both worlds, were sensible of the importance of these prerogatives; and covering their ambition with the fair pretence of the love of order, they were jealous of any rival in the exercise of a discipline so necessary to prevent the desertion of those troops which had enlisted themselves under the banner of the cross, and whose numbers every day became more considerable. From the imperious declamations of Cyprian, we should naturally conclude that the doctrines of excommunication and penance formed the most essential part of religion; and that it was much less dangerous for the disciples of Christ to neglect the observance of the moral duties, than to despise the censures and authority of their bishops. Sometimes we might imagine that we were listening to the voice of Moses, when he commanded the earth to open, and to swallow up, in consuming flames, the rebellious race which refused obedience to the priesthood of Aaron; and we should sometimes suppose that we hear a Roman consul asserting the majesty of the republic, and declaring his inflexible resolution to enforce the rigor of the laws. * "If such irregularities are suffered with impunity," (it is thus that the bishop of Carthage chides the lenity of his colleague,) "if such irregularities are suffered, there is an end of Episcopal Vigor; 149 an end of the sublime and divine power of governing the Church, an end of Christianity itself." Cyprian had renounced those temporal honors, which it is probable he would never have obtained; * but the acquisition of such absolute command over the consciences and understanding of a congregation, however obscure or despised by the world, is more truly grateful to the pride of the human heart, than the possession of the most despotic power, imposed by arms and conquest on a reluctant people.
    Footnote *: Gibbon has been accused of injustice to the character of Cyprian, as exalting the "censures and authority of the church above the observance of the moral duties." Felicissimus had been condemned by a synod of bishops, (non tantum mea, sed plurimorum coepiscorum, sententia condemnatum,) on the charge not only of schism, but of embezzlement of public money, the debauch ing of virgins, and frequent acts of adultery . His violent menaces had extorted his readmission into the church, against which Cyprian protests with much vehemence.
    Footnote 149: Cyprian Epist. 69.
    Footnote *: This supposition appears unfounded: the birth and the talents of Cyprian might make us presume the contrary.

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    Gibbon, Edward, 1737-1794. The history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. 1st ed. (London : Printed for W. Strahan ; and T. Cadell, 1776-1788.), pp. 495-502.
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  • Pahpa
    Pahpa

    Restangled:

    Interesting information. Thanks for sharing it with us.

    I can't comprehend how the Watchtower organization can really believe that disfellowshipping and shunning would lead a person to repentence particularly if an individual was disfellowshipped merely for disagreeing with the Watchtower Society on some teaching. It is a form of spiritual blackmail. The cruel and unchristian act of shunning only fortifies the the reality that this is not God's organization. It repels rather than appeals.

    The early church was very tolerant of members who disagreed with various doctrines within the church. Measures were taken only against those who had extreme views that generally denied Christ or who had committed gross immoral acts. Even then, it was with the view of restoring and healing the individual. Mercy, not justice, seemed to be the leading motivation. The later development of excommunication and shunning seems to be closely related to the effort of the leaders to assert their authority and domination over the members. This is certainly true of the Watchtower organization today.

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    Pahpa,

    This information at one time was probably supported by Russel and Rutherford.......especially when they are quoting half sentences on their website from this historian in a 1988 Watchtower article. Interestingly, the WBTS said, "Around the time of the Apostles"...this was practiced and then proceeded to talk about stoning from the Old Testament.

    I hope more read this post!

    r.

  • Gill
    Gill

    Restrangled - Thanks for that information!

    The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Roman Catholic Church have quite a few things in common. Both are cruel faiths as both crave wealth. But having said that, all Christian religions have their roots in Catholicism. Since the Bible is a Catholic book, in its current state all religions claiming the Bible as their inspiration are Catholic.

    Shunning is the cruelest 'sport' in the Watchtower Society! Only those with the strongest will and minds can survive it unscathed. People can only lose their fear of it if they see it for what it is; a form of control in behaviour. The amazing thing about the Watchtower Society is that it protects and does NOT disfellowship pedophiles but will disfellowship anyone who claims injustice from the WT society and persists in this.

    They are a truly twisted Organization!

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Restrangled,

    WOW!! What a find! Thank you for bringing this back to the fore. Suprised - definately, but never shocked..at least not anymore. I saved it for future use....thank you so much for sharing!!

    Once again reminds me.."Oh what a tangeled web we weave, if at first we practice to decieve!"

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    Here is the quote from the '88 Watchtower if anyone is interested:

    ***

    w884/15p.30DisciplineThatCanYieldPeaceableFruit***

    Excommunication—What

    Effect?

    English historian Edward Gibbon wrote about the propriety and effect of disfellowshipping nearer the time of the apostles:

    "It is the undoubted right of every society to exclude from its communion and benefits such among its members as reject or violate those regulations which have been established by general consent. . . . The consequences of excommunication were of a temporal [earthly] as well as a spiritual nature. The Christian against whom it was pronounced was deprived of any part in the oblations of the faithful. The ties both of religious and of private friendship were dissolved."

    Justitia

  • Dagney
    Dagney
    ...wrote about the propriety and effect of disfellowshipping nearer the time of the apostles:

    so what?

    Why don't they do EVERYTHING that was done "nearer the time of the apostles?" Why pick and choose?

    It's sad and it's mean.

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    Wow Gil,

    I forgot I had found this (March of 07). Thanks for bringing it back up again.

    r.

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41
    I can't comprehend how the Watchtower organization can really believe that disfellowshipping and shunning would lead a person to repentence particularly if an individual was disfellowshipped merely for disagreeing with the Watchtower Society on some teaching. It is a form of spiritual blackmail. The cruel and unchristian act of shunning only fortifies the the reality that this is not God's organization. It repels rather than appeals.

    my thoughts exactly..........i've told my mom that more than once.......

    terri

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