by XJW4EVR 9 Replies latest jw friends
What must be, in order for what is to be what it is?
In other words, what has to be in place for what is now, to be what it is. Example: Outside of a structure it is 100 degrees farenheit, but inside the structure it is 70 degrees. What must be in order for what is to be what it is?
When you look at the Bible and how nature is revealed how do you answer the above question?
I am looking for serious responses on this one. Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Edited to add the comma.
"What must be in order for what is to be what it is?"
Simply put, everything.
My answer doesn't have anything to do with the bible (don't understand that part of your query), but has everything to do with nature.
All depend on how exactly you want the same results. If you just want an approximation, then approximatly the same in proportion has to be done to get approximately the same thing.
What must be in order for what is to be what it is?When you look at the Bible and how nature is revealed how do you answer the above question?
Are you trying to say that the Bible generally only reveals the things that must be there in order for
things to appear as they do now?
In other words, assuming that God created all things, he must have made the heavens and the earth, he
must have brought about water and land, plants and animals. The details are fuzzy enough, but you
can't totally contradict the Bible if it says God made things, the things are here, therefore he is their creator.
If Science disagrees about the order of creation or the details, they only have theories.
Further, everything that the Bible describes about Israel and the chosen people may or may not
be the absolute truth (perhaps they never were slaves in Egypt) but the writings describe a journey from the
past into the present conditions of the time of writing. That means the writings make sense if you make one
little leap of faith that these things are all true, the story says we wound up like this, and we did, so the story
must be true.
Is this generally what you are asking?
I'm not sure what you mean by "how nature is revealed". Do you mean how it is "revealed" in the bible or how nature is becoming more understood with the advancement of time and technique? Contrary to "onthewayout" I put a lot of confidence in the scientific process and don't view the bible as a literal history or a scientific tome. Most Christians and "wanabe" christians are hell bent to authenticate the bible as an absolutely infallable document when dates, times, places and stories are concerned. The trap of literalism has most of them in its clutches. For me it is an overview of the spiritual path of humanity and its evolving relationship and understanding of its creator. How the physical world came into being is irrelevent to me, what we do with our lives and how we use our material experiance is infinately more important not only for our personal growth and development but for all of mankind. Hence the description of Jehovah in the OT is flavored by the authors and their allegience to Israel and the spin that puts on their cosmology. The revelation of Christ changed all that, but then through the eyes of the likes of Paul and others, even that pure message took on a tone influenced by cultural context. One cannot excape the implications of cultural and historical context. carmel
I'm also confused by your question.
Are you looking for a "null hypothesis" to validate something?
You need to put that crack pipe down and get back to the kingdom hall.
That's what be!
OK, I realize that I did not ask this question correctly. My apologies.
If the Bible is true, then what would we expect to find based upon the statement, "What must be, in order for what is, to be what it is." The opposite is also in question, in order for a secular humanistic philosophy to be true, etec. etc. I hope that this clears it up.
>>If the Bible is true, then what would we expect to find based upon the statement, "What must be, in order for what is, to be what it is."
The Bible says "God is love", and that he is powerful. It says he knows each person individually, to the count of hairs on their head. It says he cares for each human individually more than he cares for "many sparrows". (or some kinda bird, wasn't it sparrows?)
Given his love, power, and interest, I would expect to find him intervening to prevent humans from being hurt by things. All things, but in particular the things humans don't have anything to do with -- hurricanes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions.
Is this the sort of thing you're looking for?
Dave
>>If the Bible is true, then what would we expect to find based upon the statement, "What must be, in order for what is, to be what it is."The Bible says "God is love", and that he is powerful. It says he knows each person individually, to the count of hairs on their head. It says he cares for each human individually more than he cares for "many sparrows". (or some kinda bird, wasn't it sparrows?)
Given his love, power, and interest, I would expect to find him intervening to prevent humans from being hurt by things. All things, but in particular the things humans don't have anything to do with -- hurricanes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions.
Is this the sort of thing you're looking for?
Yes, Dave! This is exactly what I am looking for. Arguements from bothside to affirm or counter the hypothesis.
