UK and USA rank the same ....

by sammielee24 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    according to the Unicef group. Not that we should believe every single poll anyway, since those polled may not represent in truth those affected, but nonetheless, this was an interesting article.

    The U.S. and Britain are battling it out. This time, the transatlantic alliance has nothing to be proud of, according to a UNICEF report on the wellbeing of Children in 21 industrialized countries. Britain just narrowly edges out the U.S. for last place, but it's pretty close.

    Now, before anyone disregards the findings because they come from a UN agency, UNICEF looked at 40 indicators from information provided by the World Health Organization and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. This report is something of an international snapshot. It's the same criteria for all.

    Countries were ranked across categories including poverty and inequality, health and safety, education, family and friendships and the abuse of sex, booze and drugs. The best ranking Britain could manage was 12th place for Health and Safety. The best for the U.S. was 12th for education.

    One of the study's researchers, British professor Jonathan Bradshaw, suggests children are worse off in these two countries due to greater economic inequality and poor levels of public support for families. Even though there are high overall levels of national wealth, Bradshaw says the U.S. and Britain don't invest as much in children as do continental European countries.

    British children were found to have the worst relationships in the developed world. They were least likely to enjoy school and the most likely to feel left out, awkward and lonely.

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    Britain has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies and the second highest number of single parent families, most of which could not survive without welfare.

    Significantly, less than two thirds of British families eat together. If you don't eat together you don't talk together. So if British kids aren't talking, what are they doing? Well, they were more drunk, drugged and promiscuous than kids in any other country. Again, Americans were right there with them, an unholy transatlantic alliance.

    But, I suppose if you are busy with those things, it's hard to talk. Especially if you're beating up on someone. You see, British teenagers were more likely than those elsewhere to have been in a fight in the previous 12 months.

    At the top of the list, the country where children have the highest level of wellbeing is Holland. Dutch kids were found to be the happiest among the countries, and despite what is essentially legalized marijuana, readily available hard-core pornography and regulated red light districts, Dutch children aren't interested.

    When the UNICEF report was released, the BBC filled a studio with pontificating experts, most of whom hadn't been teenagers for at least two generations. When they were done, there was a filmed report from a state high school in Amsterdam.

    The students there spoke English far better, and were able to express themselves more succinctly, than those sounded out at a London school. But there was, for me, one Dutch girl who made more sense than any of the so-called experts. She said that in Holland, "We look out for each other. If one of our friends was doing something bad, we'd tell them and they'd stop." She went on to say that in Britain, it seems "everyone is out for themselves."

    If a country's children are its future, the Britain of tomorrow may be in real trouble. There is, according to Britain's Children's Commissioner, "A crisis at the heart of our society."
  • Simon
    Simon

    Well, it's nice to look down on both countries ... from Canada

  • zagor
    zagor

    Would anyone care to explain to me why there is such an animosity toward anything UN in US of A, so much that even research findings must be introduced in an apologetic manner??!!??

  • Undecided
    Undecided
    why there is such an animosity toward anything UN in US of A,

    If the WT Society would join the UN then you know any info from there is a bunch of crock.

    Ken P.

  • zagor
    zagor
    If the WT Society would join the UN then you know any info from there is a bunch of crock.

    Ken P.

    Ken, please tell me that was a joke, lmao

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    At the top of the list, the country where children have the highest level of wellbeing is Holland. Dutch kids were found to be the happiest among the countries, and despite what is essentially legalized marijuana, readily available hard-core pornography and regulated red light districts, Dutch children aren't interested.
    When the UNICEF report was released, the BBC filled a studio with pontificating experts, most of whom hadn't been teenagers for at least two generations. When they were done, there was a filmed report from a state high school in Amsterdam.

    The students there spoke English far better, and were able to express themselves more succinctly, than those sounded out at a London school. But there was, for me, one Dutch girl who made more sense than any of the so-called experts. She said that in Holland, "We look out for each other. If one of our friends was doing something bad, we'd tell them and they'd stop." She went on to say that in Britain, it seems "everyone is out for themselves."

    I thought this was interesting. Maybe its more fun and appealing to do this stuff when its taboo. I remember growing up and having friends where we looked out for each other and did not live in fear that if a friend knew I did something wrong, they were still my friend.

    purps

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    I think this is the same report that was in the news and discussed in this thread in February.

    I looked carefully at all the parameters measured in the report (most news stories only mentioned the overall scores in each section) and although there were some parameters I had my doubts about, I thought the overall message was worthwhile.

    One parameter I have my doubts about is the measure of poverty. The measurement is of relative poverty (how a household compares to the national average) not absolute poverty. So, fairly well off families in very wealthy countries score worse than a family with the same standard of living in a very poor country. Apart from that, I don't see how you can NOT be worse off when you have kids. You have higher costs, and less income or childcare costs.

    The most interesting thing to me is how quickly the news story sank, and how little interest it generated here. Who cares what is happening to our kids?

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    Would anyone care to explain to me why there is such an animosity toward anything UN in US of A, so much that even research findings must be introduced in an apologetic manner??!!??

    This article was written for the CBS in England - which is where I found it. I also think we all need to tread cautiously when deciphering polls since a poll of a specific number of people may only include those of like mind and not a diverse group needed to reflect the actual results of the thoughts of all the people.

    I did find the take on the Dutch children interesting. I think that outside influences such as legal prostitution and legal marijuana have less impact because they wouldn't be newsworthy all the time like they are elsewhere. A set of values inside the home combined with the knowledge that prostitiution and cannabais are not valued influences, but not criminal, may mean that there is not as much interest for a child as there is where people are fined and jailed for both on a regular basis.

    I just thought the article was interesting.

    sammieswife.

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    The full UNICEF report can be seen here:

    http://www.unicef-icdc.org/presscentre/presskit/reportcard7/rc7_eng.pdf

    It includes notes on the methodology and sources. I wouldn't describe it as a poll.

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