On Drawn Blood

by Sunspot 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    There is a discussion on another board that has to do with blood that has been drawn, and the poster said this:

    ***According to the October 15, 2000 Watchtower JW's are allowed to have any amount of blood completely removed from their body, stored, taken to a lab, treated in some manner, and then later transfused back into their veins as long as the procedure is done within a single hospital stay. Several of these approved procedures are described in the November 2006 Kingdom Ministry.

    It is no longer true to say that JW's abstain from transfusions of whole blood, white cells, red cells, plasma or platelets because they can accept any and all of these in autologous form so long as the procedure of "removal / reuse" is done within a single hospital stay. Predonating blood for a future surgery is still forbidden."

    JW's are still forbidden from storing their blood several weeks in advance for a future surgery. What is allowed is having blood removed and put back in during a single hospital stay. So storing blood a day or two is okay but a few weeks isn't. Not sure what scripture this rule is based on.***

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    Has anyone head of this "new light on blood" from God---or know what scripture the WTS could possibly use that would support this teaching?

    Annie

  • TD
    TD
    Has anyone head of this "new light on blood" from God---or know what scripture the WTS could possibly use that would support this teaching?

    The poster is correct. As long as the treatment is considered a single procedure it is a matter of conscience even if the autologous blood completely leaves the body and is taken somewhere else in the facility.

    There are no scriptures to support this --LOL. ...But then there are no scriptures that support that transfusion medicine taboo itself.

  • sir82
    sir82

    ...although it is interesting to note that you never see the words "in a single hospital stay" anywhere in print in any article discussing allowable blood procedures.

    Is that something that the HLC will discreetly say to a patient? Anyone with any HLC experience here?

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W
    November 2006 Kingdom Ministry.

    Interesting.... Two months after I would have already D - I - E - D if I'd listened to their blood doctrine requirements..... ....Even with THIS new "loving provision" in place!!!

    Good thing I didn't 'wait on Jehovah' for the Faithful and Discreet Class, on this one.

  • ninja
    ninja

    J-ex-W....you naughty person....you should have waited on the coroner....did I say coroner....I meant Jehovah......he he

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W
    Is that something that the HLC will discreetly say to a patient? Anyone with any HLC experience here?

    Did not talk to HLC directly but did consult the elders, etc., and asked to borrow one elder's blood videos to research 'acceptable' options, etc. This was even while being inactive.

    I suppose the HLC was notified, in anticipation of my coming back to them for further help [which I didn't] and gearing up for a 'bloody fight' (for patient's [read: WT] rights, etc.).

    My surgery was scheduled for mid-August 2006. It took place in two stages, six days apart--and their last patient who had with this surgery L-O-S-T over 3 liters of blood.

    I was told I don't have that much blood in my whole body.

    The elders knew what I was facing...and that I was scared...and researching options ('acceptable' options). Even this new change would NOT have saved me.

    I do wonder how the GB responded from a phone call from my local elders. I can't help but think they must have called them.

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W
    should have waited on the coroner....did I say coroner

    ninja------- LOL at you...as usual!!

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W

    Yeah...if I waited...I would have found that this "new provision" [blood doctrine change] from the FDS was just around the coroner......................

  • zack
    zack

    I haven;t heard of this at all.

  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    Years ago, I went to the BBC interenet site and I found that the JW believed in donating blood cleansing types of machine to two hospitals. One in England and one in Denmark. Apparently, it made headlines!

    It really was a shocker!

    Monday, 30 July, 2001, 12:07 GMT 13:07 UK Church donates blood machine Surgery
    Cats re-circulates a patient's own blood Jehovah's Witnesses are donating a blood-cell salvage machine to a hospital that takes away the need for transfusion in surgery.

    Members of the religion traditionally refuse blood transfusions because they conflict with their beliefs.

    The Fresenius Continuous Autologus Transfusion System (Cats), which is being donated to St Mary's Hospital in Newport on the Isle of Wight, re-circulates a patient's own blood during operations.

    John Carruthers, a spokesman for the Jehovah's Witnesses, said he hoped the machine, which is being delivered on Monday, would also be an advantage to other people.

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    In simple terms, patients are receiving their own fresh blood without the risk of infection alt
    Dr Rajeev Joshi, consultant haematologist
    He said: "Because of teachings in the Bible, Jehovah's Witnesses do not touch blood that is not their own.

    "This machine will mean that when they require surgery there is no need for blood transfusions to be used."

    The fundraising for the £19,000 Fresenius Kabi machine was set up on the island because of the high proportion of Jehovah's Witnesses who live there.

    Cost savings

    Mr Carruthers added: "But we hope it will also be useful for the wider community, since as more people become aware of the potential health risks of blood transfusions they will be able to use it as well."

    Dr Michael Hof, senior consultant at St Mary's, welcomed the fact the reduction in health risks of transfusions could potentially save the NHS millions of pounds.

    He said: "Unfortunately, the rest of the world is ahead of the United Kingdom as far as the use of cell salvage is concerned.

    How the Cats machine works
    The machine collects blood from the site of surgery Blood is mixed with heparin to stop it clotting Blood is passed into a reservoir and coarse particles are filtered out Blood is washed using saline, to remove heparin Blood is collected in a reinfusion bag and delivered back to the patient
    "At present the public on the island and in the UK generally do not demand cell-salvage because they are not aware of its benefits."

    Dr Hof's colleague, consultant haematologist Dr Rajeev Joshi, said he had been pushing for the treatment to be available in the UK for "a long time".

    He said: "In simple terms, patients are receiving their own fresh blood without the risk of infection."

    Cats also speeds up the transfusion process, as there is no need to carry out compatibility tests on the patient.

    The machine also improves the quality of the blood because it does not need storing, which reduces its capacity for storing oxygen.

    The Isle of Wight is home to 600 Jehovah's Witnesses in seven congregations.

    Proportionally that is one for every 250 people, compared to one for every 450 people across the rest of the UK.

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