Questioning a Judicial Committee.

by Blueblades 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    Some questions I had when an individual was disfellowedshipped by a Judicial Committee: You may know of someone who could use some of this info.

    I was used by this body and lied to concerning this case. I did not serve on it.

    What training did a certain elder have in matters of ethics / jurisprudence prior to sitting in judgment on the Judicial Committee? New elder on the case.

    Did he come to his own conclusions in agreement or was he persuaded to change his decision based on peer pressure? Did he judge on the basis of association rules and not the Bible? No shepherding visit prior to Judicial hearing?

    Evidence on the first two meetings without the accused present? Ist and 2nd hearing invalid based on the first. Why was a decision made without hearing the accused first? Wall of confidentiality violated because of time constraints, why? What authorization do you have to proceed without the accused? Is this authorization from organization rules, society procedures etc or God's Word the Bible? Where in God's Word?

    Does the organization take presidence over the Bible when eternal life is involved? Emotional state involved, Jeremiah 17:10. Neglect of elders lack of concern. Asking questions hard to answer because the wall of confidentiality is raised when it has already been violated. Things that lend to weakness, financial, emotional, difficulties are not wicked acts.

    Letters written about the case that are presumptuous. Treatment, respect, dignity, integrity and justice. Just your word of assurance, confident in your claims of experience, how many cases have you dealth with? How long have you served, your qualifications, experiences on Judicial matters of this nature. Was the Bible respected as the ultimate basis for making decisions? Were all facts gathered before any conclusions or decisions could be made? Was there a predetermined outcome influenced from outside sources.

    I had a personal phone call from the P.O. who was serving on this Judicial Committee and the appeal that followed, I used the above material in our conversation and he admitted that there were mistakes made with this case, he had his regrets, however what was done is done.

    The rank and file know only that the elders are cleaning the congregation up . Oh! really! You mean that they don't know about the mistakes and miscarriage of justice that was done to this individual? and how many others? Phone conversation came to an end. I stepped down soon after this. This is a synopsis, many other details were left out on purpose for protection of identities.

    Some who are not familar with the ins and outs of the Judicial Commitees may find some of this helpfull.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Blue, I've read this a few times. I wish you could re-write this a bit because for me, at least, it's confusing....Regarding serving on JCs, most elders do NOT follow Society instructions. Usually one elder is there to direct the JC properly. But most elders aren't too bright.

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    I think the best description of judicial committee would be Kangaroo court.

    I'd stay away from that.

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    Mini, the piece is not in order. It's the way I posed questions ( questions get it ) to the P.O. I deliberately posed the questions that I had written down on a legal pad for just this occasion in my discussion with him even though I knew the stock answers would revolve around the conversation stopper they use namely, "That's Confidential". These types of questions could be rephased and asked of any elder that might be calling for a Judicial Hearing on someone"s loved one. It's just food for thought.

    Remember " W.I.G." as the Theocractic Ministry School Overseer you just gave me a W, work on it. next I, improved, next G, good. Thanks for your input.

    Jag, you got that right.

    I know that the elders on a Judicial Committee won't listen or answer those questions, however it will give them food for thought not expecting this from the rank and file who are not supposed to question them.

    Blueblades

  • flipper
    flipper

    Blueblades, Mr.Flipper here. It's so good to see you post the variables of what elders should look into before jumping to judgements on various JC matters. I was raised in the org., dad has been an elder since the 50's, so I've seen alot. I got out 4 years ago. Although some, maybe a few elders with decent motives would go the extra mile to apply the things you stated so they would get it right, I'm afraid that the majority of them don't take the time, are too lazy, to see any extinuating circumstances which arise which would affect a fair and just outcome of JC meetings. They are too afraid of outside appearances by the"mother" organization and other elders that might ratfink on them if they try to be too just and upright. I see why you stepped aside and applaud you for doing so. Just hope you had your say and got your licks in before you did, give 'em a peace of your mind if you know what I mean. Good post by you,. Thanks, I relate. Peace Flipper.

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    Wait a minute; are you telling me that this process, led by a triad of untrained uneducated incompetents, has dodginess actually built in? I'd never have guessed.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    BeliefWatch: Witness
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    What interests Engardio—who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness by his mother and has since left the church—is that despite their fierce separatism and ... [email protected] Email newsweek editors BeliefWatch: Witness By Lisa Miller Newsweek May 28, 2007 issue - With "Knocking," a documentary airing this week on PBS, director Joel Engardio draws back the curtain on America's million Jehovah's Witnesses. Engardio's own story is compelling. Witnesses, like the Amish, are baptized as teenagers or young adults; at that moment, they accept the mantle of their faith. Engardio declined to be baptized, he says, because he thought he could do more good in the world than out of it. He is also gay.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    http://www.dannyhaszard.com/shunning.htm JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES 'R THE FAMILY WRECKERS OF THE WORLD


    "if my family has any contact with me they will be justifying my ungodly lifestyle"

    Ring a bell? It's not from the Jehovah's Witnesses it's an excerpt form the discovery channel documentary on 'doomsday cults' describing the practice of the *Roberts group* a disturbing cult. See all cults like JW's have a shunning shame device to control members.. To be treated like a man of the nations (gentile) or as a tax collector does not mean that i am viewed as 'dead' by my mother. Everything about the Watchtower's shunning protocol is twisted and demonic.
    The shunning by other religions for comparison is irrelevant as the Watchtower claims that it's disfellowshipping is at the direction of the holy spirit so it must be infallible.This is outright blaspheme.

    In just one year 1987 i calculated by the Watchtower's own stats that 4.4 men woman and children were disfellowshipped per hour as the world turned on it's axis.

    Get this,the Watchtower asserts that every single one was @ "the direction of the holy spirit"
    This is utter blaspheme by the watchtower/elder leadership.

    How many blasphemes do you charlatans need to be eternally damned?One,or how about 37,000 for that year of 1987?These are wrecked and ruined lives people.

    Matthew 18:10 Jesus dire warning to his high ranking apostles;" see to it that you do not despise one of these little ones,for i tell you their angels in heaven always behold the face of my father who is in heaven."
    The written and oral directives of the flunky elders is one priority,that is to intimidate and save face with the followers and to stonewall a potential civil lawsuit.

    Look either it's the Holy Spirit or it ain't da Holy spirit.They told me even when they are wrong in Judgment i must consider it a test of my faith and bite the bullet.What kind of mealy mouthing gobbledygook is that?

    No it's blaspheme.

    Tell the truth and don't be afraid-Danny Haszard 'expert witness on the Jehovah Witness'

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