If there was no david, and no solomon why was there to be a messiah to be the heir to their empire that never existed.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/david.htm
To hell with weither jesus existed what about david and solomon?
by 5go 9 Replies latest watchtower bible
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LtCmd.Lore
Great read 5go!
I've known that David and Solomon were fictional for quite some time, but I never made the connection between them and Jesus before.
Thanks.
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Marcel
i dont think they were fictional and in fact i doubt the sources you posted highly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#Historicity_of_David
if you believe the wikipedia there actually ARE archilogical evidences which support davids existence.
whether his life was exactly like described in the bible is another thing, but i believe he existed. i also believe jesus existed. -
fullofdoubtnow
Thanks for that 5go.
It's strange that there is plenty of archaelogical evidence of the Assyrian, babylonian and other empires mentioned in the bible, but so little of that of David and Solomon. Makes you wonder...
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LanDi
Well, it's always fashionable to debate things like this these days ! First of all, Historians doubted and laughed at the Bibles account that Solomon had I think it was ten thousand horses - " No one could ever be that rich !" lo and behold , the vast complex that they were kept in was discovered( I believe it is recorded in 'The Bible as history') but they still won't leave it alone.
Jesus IS a more fascinating question. I think it is Gerald Massey who is an expert on the 'Egyptian Origins of Jesus' who casts more doubt on the subject than is probably healthy. (Satan in his cleverness prepared an elaborate set of myths ahead of time to mislead the world from peddling the Watchtower) then there is the Roman Sun God (name escapes me as I sit here) who came to save us all from sin, lamb of god, twelve disciples (list goes on!) purely coincidence - naturally. But I think, when we see that there are other Gospels outside the ones in the Bible that give us a fascinating insight into the life of THAT MAN , such as the Gospel of Thomas 'Why do you love her [Mary Magdalene] more than us?' it makes a good case that he was really here ????
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5go
Royal "Chariot city" of Megiddo?
"Solomon's Stables"? – but for the fact they're not Solomon's and not stables!
Distinctive storerooms were so identified until a palace structure beneath them came to light. Then "stables" re-attributed to Ahab so that the palace could be identified as "Solomon's." In truth, the palaces date from 9th not 10th century BC and the city of the stables is even later – the 8th century BC.
But were they stables? Nothing relating to horses, cavalry or chariots has ever come to light. "Horse troughs" had drainage holes and were possibly vats for preparing opium, a narcotic for the pain of childbirth and disease.
Solomon is said to have had "a thousand and four hundred" chariots (1 Kings 1.26) – a prodigious army by ancient standards. Yet only five years after the fabled king's death, the same Bible says Pharaoh Shishak successfully invaded Judah and captured its fortified cities with little or no military resistance (2 Chronicles 12).
'Solomon's Stables' – actually 8th century storehouses of Assyrian vassal Jeroboam II.
"Solomon's Gates"? Wishful thinking – 9th century BC, not 10th.
Omri's 9th century BC Megiddo
"Solomon's 10th century BC Megiddo"?? No kidding
Reality: "Solomon's" Megiddo
built on top of Omri's! -
5go
In 2005, Israeli archaeologist Eilat Mazar, excavating in the most ancient portion of Jerusalem, which is called the City of David, in East Jerusalem uncovered an alleged King David's Palace site, but there is no reliable archaeological assessment currently available.
This is why no real evidence exist of the jewish empire. Plenty has been found but later review points to some other empire at the time which the region was a victim of many threw it's history.
There is no evidence of a distinct jewish empire in the region in fact only the northern kingdom has been truly proven but not the way the bible said it was like. The ten tride kingdom was sort of powerful till it fell to the assysrians. The southern tribes were just that tribes and Jerusalem didn't even have walls at the time supposedly the assyrians were there so it wasn't a threat to them.
Solomon's Empire?
Hebrew hilltop settlements in the 10th century BC would not have been much larger than a soccer field, and archaeology has found not a brick of imperial grandeur.
'Imperial' Jerusalem?
Legendary kings David and Solomon supposedly had an imperial capital in Jerusalem. Yet extensive archaeology in the city reveals Jerusalem was a village in the 10th century BC. In contrast, Megiddo, 'part of the empire.' far to the north, had a palace!
In reality, separate and distinctive chiefdoms developed in Samaria and Judah in the 9th century. They were never a 'united monarchy.' The north was larger, richer and more developed – and soon succumbed to the Assyrians.
Judah, in reaction, produced its pious, biblical fraud, castigating the apostate kings of the 8th - 9th century northern kingdom of 'Israel' and elevated its own importance in an earlier, fantasised empire – ruled from an imperial capital of Jerusalem.
"... in Jerusalem nothing has as yet been brought to light which can be ascribed to Solomon with certainty."
(Isserlin, p81)
Where did they get their ideas from?
"Solomon ... began to build the house of the LORD ... And the whole house he overlaid with gold ... And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high ... And he overlaid the cherubims with gold ... And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers." (1 Kings 6)
'10 cubit winged cherub' – from Assyria!Palm & floral motif– from Assyrian temple!
Was it this ... or this
... or this?Lavish Temple?
"Artist's impressions" of that fabulous Temple are commonplace, all based upon the biblical fantasy.
Biblical descriptions of the building and its furniture are precise and vivid (1 Kings 6).
But then they would be – they were a 'wish-list' of 7th/6th century priests. B elieve it or not, the 2 pillars had names – Jachin and Boaz.
"The archaeological evidence in Jerusalem for the famous building projects of Solomon is nonexistent.
19th and early 20th century excavations around the Temple Mount in Jerusalem failed to identify even a trace of Solomon's fabled Temple or palace complex."
(Finkelstein, Silberman, p128)
7 years of slave labour?
"Jehoash Tablet"
"First confirmation" of Solomon's Jerusalem Temple. Only one problem – manufactured in Jerusalem in 2003!
Forger arrested
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OnTheWayOut
It's strange that there is plenty of archaelogical evidence of the Assyrian, babylonian and other empires
mentioned in the bible, but so little of that of David and Solomon. Makes you wonder...It is possible that there is little evidence because Israel and the Kings, David & Solomon, may
have been insignicant on the world scene.It is my belief that David was a rebel who did seize the kingdom, but the kingdom was
not much to rule over. Both he and his son's rule were extremely exaggerated.David and Solomon probably didn't even give all that much worship to Yahweh, but may have
known of him. Yahweh became big when the Yahweh Priests made headway with Cyrus and
got to go home. It seems that in the years after the temple rebuilding, everything from the
past got exaggerated. "It used to be bigger, better, holier, let's return to such a time." -
Paralipomenon
I like the story of soloman.
He was blessed with great wisdom and that led him to becoming an apostate. -
5go
He was blessed with great wisdom and that led him to becoming an apostate.
I think we should declare him the patrain staint of apostates.
St. Solomon the Wise and Horny
'10 cubit winged cherub' – from Assyria!
