Religious extremists in 3 faiths share views: report

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  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    This is a valid report, but do you really think there are anywhere near as many violent fundy Christians and Jews as there are Muslims? Seems to obscure that, but it succeeds in pointing out the dangers of fundamentalist religions.

    Randy

    Religious extremists in 3 faiths share views: report

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070613/us_nm/security_usa_extremism_dc;_ylt=AohpmJEJk2pNWnQzNvM8_l6s0NUE

    By Claudia Parsons Wed Jun 13, 5:49 PM ET

    Violent Muslim, Christian and Jewish extremists invoke the same rhetoric of "good" and "evil" and the best way to fight them is to tackle the problems that drive people to extremism, according to a report obtained by Reuters.

    It said extremists from each of the three faiths often have tangible grievances -- social, economic or political -- but they invoke religion to recruit followers and to justify breaking the law, including killing civilians and members of their own faith.

    The report was commissioned by security think tank EastWest Institute ahead of a conference on Thursday in New York titled "Towards a Common Response: New Thinking Against Violent Extremism and Radicalization." The report will be updated and published after the conference.

    The authors compared ideologies, recruitment tactics and responses to violent religious extremists in three places -- Muslims in Britain, Jews in Israel and Christians in the United States.

    "What is striking ... is the similarity of the worldview and the rationale for violence," the report said.

    It said that while Muslims were often perceived by the West as "the principal perpetrators of terrorist activity," there are violent extremists of other faiths. Always focusing on Muslim extremists alienates mainstream Muslims, it said.

    The report said it was important to examine the root causes of violence by those of different faiths, without prejudice.

    "It is, in each situation, a case of 'us' versus 'them,"' it said. "That God did not intend for civilization to take its current shape; and that the state had failed the righteous and genuine members of that nation, and therefore God's law supersedes man's law."

    COMMON WORLDVIEW

    This worldview was common to ultranationalist Jews, like Yigal Amir, who killed Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, to U.S. groups like Christian Identity, which is linked to white supremacist groups, and to other Christian groups that attacked abortion providers, it said.

    "Extremists should never be dismissed simply as evil," said the report. "Trying to engage in a competition with religious extremists over who can offer a simpler answer to complex problems will be a losing proposition every time."

    Harvard University lecturer Jessica Stern, the conference's keynote speaker, spent five years interviewing extremists for her 2003 book "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill."

    She said it was dangerous for U.S. President George W. Bush to use terms such as "crusade" or "ridding the world of evil."

    "It really is falling into the same trap that these terrorists fall into, black and white thinking," Stern told Reuters on Wednesday. "It's very exciting to extremists to hear an American president talking that way."

    Stern said to compare violent extremists from the three faiths was not to suggest that the threat was the same.

    "These are not equivalent," she said. "The problems arising from Christian or Jewish extremism are not threatening to the world in the same way as Muslim extremism is."

    Conference organizers say their aim is to develop a nonpartisan strategy to combat religious extremism.

    The guest list includes representatives of the State Department, Homeland Security, the New York Police Department and the U.N. missions of Israel, Iraq, Britain and the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith
    It said extremists from each of the three faiths often have tangible grievances -- social, economic or political --

    The 9/11 hijackers were middle class college graduates. The 7/7 bombers were not poor either.

    The problem is that they all truly believed their god commanded them to kill non believers. The Bible teaches this too, however Christians ignore this (thankfully). There are muslims who take everything in the koran as the literal truth of the creator of the universe.

    The problem is religion. Isn't that obvious by now?

  • bobxkawasaki
    bobxkawasaki

    The problem is not religion per se as it includes extra kind, good, bad and violent elements, but it is the bad and violent elements or branches of religion.

    To defeat extremism requires addressing the grievance, the problem that is causing the extremism.

    For example the extremists among those of the Muslim religion are primarily furious that Jewish persons took away the land of Arabic persons living in what since 1946 or so have been modern Israel and is now the land of the Palestinian Authority.

    One possible solution would be for Israel, the U.S. and other willing nations to offer compensation to the persons who lost their lands or to their descendants.

    It could be in different forms such as vastly increased services such as free college educations, free health care provisions, open-ended cash payments, an agreement for the slow but sure return of some land upon the death of current Jewish owners to descendants of the original land owners.

    That would be a solution. Just saying wipe out so-and-so of any religion is not a solution but the horror of holocaust or genocide, racism, bigotry.

    What also upsets Bin Ladin and his Al Qaeda is that U.S. military forces are in Saudi Arabia itself which is a land they regard as holy and where no "infidel" (person not loyal to their ideal of God or Allah) can therefore be without it being as a slap in the face, a defilement.

    So what might be some solutions? One would be to relocated U.S. troops into other adjoining lands that do welcome them, such as Kuwait. Another would be to send troops to places such as South Korea even while keeping aircraft carriers in the vicinity of Saudi Arabia. A third would be to seriously pump money into non-oil sources of energy (wind-power etc) making it far less necessary for U.S. economic interests to feel a need to be guarding oil in Saudi Arabia. A fourth would be to get Saudi Arabia which is rich to pay for a larger army of Arabs from within Saudi Arabia and from other Arabic or Muslim lands to protect the oil-fields.

    Now, in the case of Western extremists such as those among "Christian Identity" a good solution would be to require tolerance education in schools and in prisons where many C.I. gang members are already incarcerated but from which they will mostly be eventually released.

    Solutions not hot words are needed. Now you've read some, why not lobby legislators and other bigshots to put them into effect.

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    bobxkawasaki-

    I live in the UK. Do you think it is right that I should claim some kind of compensation because the Romans invaded my country? Do you think the Danish should pay because Danish vikings conquered much of my country? Do you think that the descendants of native American Indians should be able to get their land back from the US Government? If you answer no to these questions, you will see the stupidity in a group of people trying to claim compensation for something that happened to their ancestors.

    The problem is not that people are oppressed or moved from their homes. If that were the case, we would be seeing Tibetan monks blowing themselves up. After fifty years of oppression that saw all but 13 of their 6,254 monasteries wiped out, and as many as 1.2 million people killed, they would be the perfect candidates. We don't see that.

    I wouldn't outlaw religion. I think there should be more discussion about it, because quite frankly, our religious differences need to be addressed when people gain the technology to kill thousands of people, or perhaps even leave this planet uninhabitable. The 'extremists' are only following their holy book. The 'moderates' are the ones not following their religion correctly.

    I don't believe giving them compensation would stop the violence. They have been ordered by Allah to conquer the world and make everyone live under their rule. They won't be happy until they achieve that. Openly questioning religion without respect is the best solution we have at present.

    There are other reasons for wanting other religions questioned too, but if we are talking about violence, Islam is the one I focus on here because it is the most violent religion around at the moment.

  • bernadette
    bernadette
    Stern said to compare violent extremists from the three faiths was not to suggest that the threat was the same. "These are not equivalent," she said. "The problems arising from Christian or Jewish extremism are not threatening to the world in the same way as Muslim extremism is."

    It seems to me that Christian and Jewish extremism have been 'tamed' by rational thinking and much of their extremist violent behaviour is in the past and hopefully they will subject themselves to further taming and dare we hope towards complete taming? Are Muslim nations heading in that direction? Can it be speeded along?

    Btw Serotonin-wriath you have a very clear and rational way of making your point.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Good answer serotonin!

    This is a bit cheeky but someone sent me this today on Islam!

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=418_1176494781

    Randy

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    Haha, that's good. I'm going to check his other videos out too.

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