A JW explanation for any who are interested

by pettygrudger 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • pettygrudger
    pettygrudger

    Got this e-mailed to me from ministrydiary.com - in its entirety as follows:

    re: query from former bible student in Okla.
    for any who have this question come up.

    copy for those who want it.

    len

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    ~~~~

    no worries. here goes:

    answers in the *** below the question/comment.

    > 2. An acquaintance at work, whose father in-law is in the Truth,
    brought
    > this to my attention. I did not think it was accurate, until I
    checked the
    > site myself.

    *** needed to have that as i dont have time to look up every single
    citation. would be busy about 30 hours a day.

    > 3. Yes. The WatchTower Bible and Tract Society has formally
    associated with
    > the United Nations and the DPI as a "DPI/NGO" concerned about Human
    > Rights. See second quote below or go to site.

    *** totally legal as the wts is a 501(c) 3 corp as registered with the
    state of ny. and lets face it. the USA and the UN are both rather
    powerful
    entities. why stir a hornet's nest?

    > 4. Yes. The following quotes the UN website.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm
    >
    > ******begin quote******
    >
    > What is an NGO?
    > A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary
    citizens'
    > group which is organized on a local, national or international level.

    *** we are not part of the govt. we are nonprofit as registered in the
    corp commission of NY state. we are voluntary, ie, not a business.
    we are local, national and international

    > Task-oriented and driven by people with a common interest, NGOs
    perform a
    > variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizens'
    concerns to
    > Governments, monitor policies and encourage political participation at
    the
    > community level. They provide analysis and expertise, serve as early
    warning
    > mechanisms and help monitor and implement international agreements.

    *** humanitarian aid is what was done when the towers went down.we
    provided
    food, clothing, shelter, material aid to the victims. also, counselling,
    mental
    health assistance and comfort. we charged nothing for this aid.

    we also have assisted MANY more than the few thousand injured in the
    tower
    situation. we are rebuilding some 700 homes in the houston area, some
    thousand in colombia, unk how many in el salvador & nicaragua, rebuilding
    homes and halls for those displaced by wars all over africa, certain S
    Amer
    nations, the mess in former yugoslavian states.

    we do monitor the situations. had we not done so, we would not have been
    able to file suit in the world court on behalf of our brothers in france,
    georgia,
    kazakh, turkmen, greece, armenia. note that each of those lands are
    socialists
    yet claim to be popularly elected. where is the justice therein? none, so
    off to
    the hague.

    the only thing we do NOT do is encourage political participation.
    otherwise, we are known to the BIG groups as totally trustworthy. no
    other
    church or group has that reputation. none.

    > Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the
    > environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of
    the United
    > Nations System differs depending on their goals, their venue and their

    > mandate.

    *** non sequitur, as we do not have an 'agenda'. this is to allow groups
    such
    as greenpeace, john birch, radical vegetarian groups, womens rights
    groups, access to the nonpolitcal data and various forum.

    > Over 1,500 NGOs with strong information programmes on issues of
    concern to
    > the United Nations are associated with the Department of Public
    Information
    > (DPI), giving the United Nations valuable links to people around the
    world.
    > DPI helps those NGOs gain access to and disseminate information about
    the
    > range of issues in which the United Nations is involved, to enable the

    > public to understand better the aims and objectives of the world
    Organization.

    *** as christian witnesses of jehovah, we are very interested in the
    mstreatment of
    children, women and men. we are concerned that our brothers are being
    beaten
    bloody by a maniac's followers and that the socialst govt of sheverdnadze
    will
    not lift a finger to protect them, let alone arrest these orthodox
    terrorists.
    as an ngo, remember, we not only can receive info, we can now PUBLISH
    this
    info to the world, and not let this horrid atrocity go unseen.

    > How do NGOs and DPI cooperate?
    > The Department of Public Information and NGOs cooperate regularly.
    NGOs
    > associated with DPI disseminate information about the UN to their
    > membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the
    Organization
    > at the grassroots level. This dissemination includes:
    >
    > Publicizing UN activities around the world on such issues as peace and

    > security, economic and social development, human rights, humanitarian
    > affairs and international law;

    *** we are interested in each of these venues; most groups are. well,
    some....

    > Promoting UN observances and international years established by the
    General
    > Assembly to focus world attention on important issues facing humanity.

    *** this is where we would remain silent. not unlike our having a
    national flag
    in an auditorium we rent. hey, decorate the place the way you want.
    just dont demand me to worship the thing.

    (eg; every morning, i have to place a cloth on a stick with a rope and
    pulley attached
    and make sure it doesnt touch the ground. fine. do NOT, however, tell me
    to
    salute the thing, no matter what the nation.)
    YOU wanna salute the thing, fine. i will keep quiet and let you do that,
    or kneel
    on a rug to pray to it or kiss it. just dont force me to do it.

    > ******end quote******
    >
    >
    > http://www.un.org/partners/civil_society/ngo/ngos-dpi.htm#top
    >
    > ******begin quote******
    >
    > Non-Governmental Organizations formally associated with United Nations

    > through the Department of Public Information (DPI) disseminate
    information
    > about the work of the United Nations to their memberships and
    endeavour to
    > build knowledge about the United Nations and support for the
    Organization at
    > the grassroots level. Informally, these organizations are known as
    "DPI/NGOs".
    > NGO association with the United Nations and with the Department of
    Public
    > Information (DPI) dates back to the first session of the General
    Assembly in
    > 1946.

    *** again. other than building a grassroots support network, we can use
    the data and
    the public forum to publish OUR ideas, as they are public info.

    > In resolution 13 (1), the General Assembly recognized the importance
    of
    > working with and through NGOs as an integral part of United Nations
    > information activities.

    *** they notice that hoi poloi have power. at least, they give lip
    service to
    that point.

    > Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) resolution 1297 of 27 May 1968
    > authorized formal NGO association with DPI.
    > -The DPI/NGO Section provides "DPI/NGOs" with a number of services and

    > particularly with access to information about global issues on the
    United
    > Nations agenda. A DPI/NGO Executive Committee (EXECOM), composed of
    > eighteen elected NGO representatives, collaborates with the DPI/NGO
    > Section on events, programmes and initiatives of mutual interest,
    including
    > organization of the Annual DPI/NGO Conference.

    *** again, forum for the dissemination of info. as jehovahs witnesses, we

    are a repostory of unbelievable size and strength. and our biblical
    knowledge
    and understanding of local situations is unparalleled. many times, the
    govt's have come to US for info.

    > The DPI/NGO Directory lists "DPI/NGOs" and their officially
    accredited
    > representatives to the United Nations. Some 1,672 NGOs, from more
    > than 100 countries, are associated with DPI.
    >
    > CRITERIA
    > [SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE]
    >
    > Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those that:
    >
    > Share the ideals of the UN Charter;

    *** the ideals of it, as well as the USA's constitution, are quite noble.

    unfortunately, neither are followed in their entirety. they are violated
    almost daily by those who 'wrap themselves in the flag' of the
    varied govts.

    it is sad indeed that most americans have NO IDEA what the US
    constitution
    says, or the declaration of independence, the general rules 1638, the
    mayflower compact, the magna carta. most witness kids learn them in
    witness
    schools. their counterparts, i secular schools, learn how to use condoms
    and are inculcated wth foolish ideas such as agnosticism and evolution.

    > Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;

    *** we are a 501(c)3 corp under NY state laws.

    > Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven
    ability to
    > reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media
    > representatives, policy makers and the business community;

    *** we are interested in the same/similar issues... on a realistic level,
    tho.

    > Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information
    programmes
    > about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and
    pamphlets;

    *** ibid. the awake in particular has info about these issues;

    > organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the
    > cooperation of the media.

    *** conferences. at our district and circuit assemblies and conventions
    we have discourses about these issues. the difference is, of course, that
    we look to jehovah to right these wrongs, correct these errors of
    mankind.

    and we recognise satan as the ruler of this planet, in a de facto sort of
    way.
    we, however, are members of a godly organization. not perfect by any
    means, but we strive to clean ourselves up and present ourselves as
    holy sacrifices to our creator.

    he allows the usa, the un, uk, and other entities to exist at this
    present time
    for our good. it is bad to have and use weapons. but at times, the govt
    gets a more noble venue for such use by protecting and defending innocent
    people in a world that is, as the us president says, satanic, at times.

    in a sort period of time, we will have our publishing corp taken away,
    if not by the US govt, then by the UN. what reasons they will ostensiby
    use
    are unknown, but they will drum up a charge, or, formulate a law that
    might
    state to the effect that if we do not belong to a political org, we lose
    all
    rights as a citizen.

    not a maybe, it will happen, in one form or another. whomever you have
    been studying with, contact them again. my wife's cousin lives out there
    not too far from you. if you wish, i can have him contact you.

    mull it over, pray to jehovah about it, let me know.

    adios from the beach,
    len buckholtz

    > ******end quote******

    hopefully, you wont mind that i will post this on the
    min daily. some other new ones might want this same / similar info.

  • fodeja
    fodeja
    as jehovahs witnesses, we are a repostory of unbelievable size and strength. and our biblical knowledge and understanding of local situations is unparalleled. many times, the govt's have come to US for info.

    BwwwwwAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHA...wiping tears away...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The governments came to ask the dubs for info? Info? Tax statements or what?

    in a sort period of time, we will have our publishing corp taken away, if not by the US govt, then by the UN.

    (see above)

    Oh my. I'll never get used the bizarre delusions of grandeur that seem to be so commonplace in Dubland.

    f.

  • Trilobite
    Trilobite

    So why did the WTS disassociate itself this week?

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird

    So, if there is nothing wrong with it, then why did they "disassociate themselves from it?"

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird

    Trilobite, you beat me to it.

  • wannahelp
    wannahelp

    Maybe it's better not to tell them that they have dissasociated with it yet.. Let's listen to them justify it for a while, then spring it on them that they left voluntarily :-)

    Oh, and BTW: I just read an article about the '700' houses they are rebuilding in Texas.. Guess what.. They are all WITNESS HOUSES..

    Here is the article:

    ---Published Saturday, Oct. 13, 2001, in the San Jose Mercury News

    Jehovah's Witnesses jump in to fix homes
    EACH WEEKEND, VOLUNTEERS HELP FLOOD VICTIMS RECOVER
    BY RICHARD VARA
    Houston Chronicle

    HOUSTON -- The Redding family of Patterson, La. -- Tom, Donna and their
    18-year-old son, Tommy -- will be on the road to Houston every third weekend
    for the rest of the year.

    They will drive about 500 miles round-trip each of those weekends, after a
    full week of work, to help fellow Jehovah's Witnesses whose homes were
    devastated by Tropical Storm Allison.

    ``This is something we felt we needed to do,'' Donna Redding said. ``We knew
    they were in dire straits, so we come to help them out.''

    On a recent sun-splashed Saturday that begged for being outdoors, Tom and
    Tommy cut and hung new drywall while Donna smoothed ragged edges.

    The Reddings are among hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses from Texas and
    Louisiana volunteering their weekends to repair 700 homes of Houston-area
    flood victims. While most of the victims are fellow Witnesses, the repair
    effort has spread to include some families and neighbors of church members
    hit by Houston's most costly natural disaster. An estimated 50,000 houses
    were inundated when floodwaters hit in early June.

    The volunteer effort is exactly what Raphael Williams expected from his
    fellow Witnesses after 2 1/2 feet of water filled his two-story northeast
    Houston home June 9.

    ``Jehovah himself is behind this organization and helping us with this
    work,'' he said. Volunteers already have replaced a toilet, doors, wiring,
    walls and carpeting in his home.

    ``I feel fortunate that my brothers are helping out, and they are doing it
    in such a way that there will be no problems later on,'' Williams said.

    The floodwaters had not receded when Witnesses sprang into action, area
    spokesman Genaro Peter said. The governing body of Witnesses based in
    Brooklyn, N.Y., ordered an immediate assessment of the damage.

    ``We have never seen anything like this here,'' said Richard Rokovich, one
    of an eight-member committee directing 10,000 local volunteers.

    ``Our scriptural obligation is immediately to our members,'' Peter said.
    ``We called all the presiding overseers of the congregations, and they
    called all their members to see who was damaged.

    ``By Monday morning we had put together a report on all the Witnesses
    affected by the flood, addresses, phone numbers, extent of damages to the
    home, whether they had lost cars, where they were if they were not at
    home.''

    The national governing body then ordered a relief effort. The local
    committee launched a multifront program including developing a database,
    locating warehouse and administrative facilities, purchasing materials and
    organizing volunteers.

    Within days, teams were trained by professionals on how to tear out
    carpeting and walls, and how to clean and disinfect homes, Peter said. They
    did not want any untrained volunteers to aggravate damage, he said.

    Coordinating the relief program is no small task, Peter said. The Houston
    relief committee oversees 22 departments that track volunteers, construction
    materials, housing for out-of-towners and different stages of home
    construction.

    Williams, 51, said volunteers from Cleveland arrived within a week to help
    him tear out the flood damage. His home and others were then inspected for
    damage and measured for the amount of replacement materials, down to the
    number of nails and gallons of paint needed, Peter said.

    In a warehouse in northwest Houston, materials are organized house by house.
    Carpet is even pre-cut at the warehouse so volunteers need only lay it. Such
    minute care assures that materials and funds are not wasted, Peter said.

    Flood victims choose from a limited number of carpet colors and cabinets,
    Peter said. If they buy their own materials, volunteers install them.

    The allocated materials are delivered to the homes by volunteer truckers.
    The appropriate workers, whether general laborers or craftsmen, are assigned
    to a home. Once their tasks are completed, the workers are assigned to other
    homes.

    All the work is tracked by computer. Ideally, the homes are placed on a
    three-weekend repair cycle, although some homes need less work and others
    require more, Peter said.

    Volunteer labor saves enormous costs, he said. In addition, the committee
    received substantial donations of materials and purchased items in bulk for
    more savings. Its warehouse space is donated.

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