If they have a 'Good Heart' Jehovah will assure they get the 'Troof'

by AK - Jeff 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    I can't recall how many times I heard this tripe as a JW, especially following a sincere question regarding how people in China or India would have the same chance to hear it as those in the US.

    I often wondered how God would account things at Armageddon - would it go something like this?;

    " Now as for you, Mitmah and family. You have lived your entire lives in the depths of the Burmese jungles. You never heard of Jehovah's Witnesses, or the internet. Once you heard a family member speak of meeting a strange religious person in Bankok. This person was a only a 'professed Christian' so that was of no value. You once saw a Bible, but since you don't read, and none of Jw's were there to teach you the New Language of Purity, you had no idea what it contained. It doesn't matter what the Bible says anyway, Mitmah. I shall not judge you based on the Bible, nor on the fact that you are a hero to your villiage, once saving 9 children from a flaming inferno. Your acts of goodness in the village are of no concern here. You did not get married in a Kingdom Hall, that is one strike against you. You enjoyed, shall we say, pleasures of an oral sort with your seven wives. Strike two. But this is the biggie - you once saw a Watchtower in the community outhouse. It was a 1956 version, but it contained the 'truth' if you wanted to mine it out of there. All you needed do, was learn to read in the language it was printed, find Jehovah's Witnesses, and there have been at times upwards of 7 of them here in your nation, travel the 700 miles weekly to attend the meetings once they taught you the 'Truth', get baptized, and preach alongside them.'

    "Your failure to hunt down this odd sect of people of whom you had never heard is no excuse. Now please, stand over there, so that I may smite you and you and your family shall all die for this sin. Strike three. Oh, by the way, that is a baseball terminology. If only you had been born in the US, where I headquartered my 'Name people', you would also have known that idiom. And you would have heard the 'Good News' they preach there hudndreds of times, until your ears would bleed. Don't worry, many of those people will die this day too for failure to listen to my magazine salesforce."

    "Just be glad I am a loving God. There is no hellfire, and you have no immortal soul. So my killing you is not that bad. Your actions have been bad - you worshipped other Gods, and my people didn't bother to come around here. Your fault. Drink the koolaid, Mitmah. "

    Oh wait - I see new light over Brooklyn. Maybe I have changed my mind. Hold on just a minute while I go read the new secret version of the Watchtower - hold that pose -..... I'll be right back after I speak with Teddy."

    Jeff

  • unique1
  • Mrs Smith
    Mrs Smith

    I remember that line

    If they have a 'Good Heart' Jehovah will assure they get the 'Troof"

    Just like the rest of their teachings, makes no sense at all.

  • besty
    besty

    yep my SIL came up with this classic line:

    me - "Does it make sense to you that God will destroy six billion men women and children one day, and then resurrect a different six billion men women and children the next day?"

    SIL - "Nobody innocent will die at Armagedon."

    me - "Yes I can see your point - me bad"

    hmmm...

  • eclipse
    eclipse
    SIL - "Nobody innocent will die at Armagedon."

    What a lovely sentiment. Does she not remember reading when Jehober murdered women and children who were not Isrealites...were they not ''innocent''? How do they differ from the ''worldly'' children who are going to be hit with Armegeddon? No difference....those children will die because their parents are not JW's. Anyone who reads the mags and who doesn't accept a study is going to perish.

  • AWAKE&WATCHING
    AWAKE&WATCHING

    Jeff - Now that was some funny stuff. It's good to be able to laugh.

  • gumby
    gumby

    *** Watchtower 1989 September 1 p. 19 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***

    7 Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.

    Watchtower 1981 December 1 p.27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***

    Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit-anointed ones ... Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.

    There are countless Watchtower articles that defy your sisters comments. These are just two off the top of my pointy green head.

    Gumby

  • blondie
    blondie

    No, Jeff, they flunk WTS doctrine 101.

    They must have the mark to survive, the mark mentioned at Ezekiel 9:4-6, the mark of baptism as a jw. There are a few exceptions, if not baptized and a minor child, survival depends on having one parent (not grandparent, aunt, uncle or cousing, but parent) being a baptized jw; adults incapable of making a decision, such as developmentally disabled (but some can make a decision), severely mentally ill, people in comas, etc.

    *** km 8/02 p. 5 Theocratic Ministry School Review ***

    The mark on the forehead referred to at Ezekiel 9:4 means that knowledge alone will save a person. [Weekly Bible reading; see w88 9/15 p. 14 par. 18.] False.Itreferstoevidencethatthemarkedonesarededicated,baptizedChristianswhohaveputonaChristlikepersonality.

    *** w96 1/15 p. 17 par. 9 Jehovah’s Sheep Need Tender Care ***If they agree that the unbaptized publisher has a reasonable understanding of Bible teachings and qualifies in other ways, they will tell him that he may be baptized. As a result of his dedication and baptism, he becomes ‘marked’ for salvation.—Ezekiel 9:4-6.

    *** km 4/89 p. 5 Theocratic Ministry School Review ***

    The mark on the forehead refers to having an intelligent comprehension of the truth. (Ezek. 9:4) [w88 9/15 p. 14 par. 18] False.Itreferstoevidencethatthemarkedonesarededicated,baptizedChristianswhohaveputonaChristlikepersonality.

    *** km 10/87 p. 8 par. 7 Help Others to Dedication and Baptism ***Only those ‘marked’ for salvation will survive into Jehovah’s new system. (Ezek. 9:2-6) How happy those who submit to this ‘marking’ for survival will be because of their dedicated relationship with Jehovah God, as symbolized by water baptism!

    *** w87 4/15 pp. 12-13 par. 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism ***Should even youths consider baptism? Well, recall that Jehovah told the six armed men in the vision: "Old man, young man and virgin and little child and women you should kill off—to a ruination. But to any man upon whom there is the mark do not go near." (Ezekiel 9:6) Of course, children too young to make a dedication would be protected by a parent’s "mark" if that parent is striving to bring the children up to love Jehovah and if they are obediently responding. (1 Corinthians 7:14) Yet, if a child is intelligent enough to make a personal decision and has reached the point where he "knows how to do what is right," do not presume that he will continue indefinitely under the merit of his parent’s "mark."—James 4:17.

    *** w82 2/15 p. 31 par. 18 "What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?" ***Just ahead the separating of the "sheep" from the "goats" will come to a conclusion. None will be left on middle ground when God brings the "great tribulation" to sweep away "those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus." (Matthew 25:31-46; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) Only those ‘marked’ for salvation will survive into his new order. (Revelation 7:3, 4, 9, 14; Ezekiel 9:2-6) How happy will be those who have submitted to this ‘marking’ for survival because of being accepted into a dedicated relationship with Jehovah God, as symbolized by water baptism, and continuing in integrity on the narrow road that leads to life!—Matthew 7:13, 14.

    *** wt chap. 13 p. 124 par. 10 A Great Crowd Before Jehovah’s Throne ***Those of the great crowd are pictured as being marked for survival. (Ezekiel 9:4-6) "The mark" is the evidence that they are dedicated to Jehovah, baptized as disciples of Jesus, and involved in cultivating a Christlike personality. They obey the "voice out of heaven" that says regarding Satan’s worldwide empire of false religion: "Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues."—Revelation 18:1-5.

    *** kl chap. 18 p. 180 par. 21 Make It Your Aim to Serve God Forever ***A dedicated, baptized person faithfully endeavoring to follow Jesus is special to God. Jehovah examines all the billions of human hearts and knows how rare such individuals are. He considers them to be treasures, "desirable things." (Haggai 2:7) Bible prophecies show that God views such ones as marked to survive the execution of his judgment soon to come upon this wicked system of things. (Ezekiel 9:1-6; Malachi 3:16, 18) Are you "rightly disposed for everlasting life"? (Acts 13:48) Is it your earnest desire to be marked as one serving God? Dedication and baptism are part of that mark, and they are essential for survival.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    *** w82 2/15 p. 31 par. 18 "What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?" ***Just ahead the separating of the "sheep" from the "goats" will come to a conclusion. None will be left on middle ground when God brings the "great tribulation" to sweep away "those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus." (Matthew 25:31-46; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) Only those ‘marked’ for salvation will survive into his new order. (Revelation 7:3, 4, 9, 14; Ezekiel 9:2-6) How happy will be those who have submitted to this ‘marking’ for survival because of being accepted into a dedicated relationship with Jehovah God, as symbolized by water baptism, and continuing in integrity on the narrow road that leads to life!—Matthew 7:13, 14.

    Thanx for the quotes Blondie. But now I must go puke!! Looking at this and other quotes from eyes that have seperated from the borg now, I see an entirely different thing than I did as a Witless.

    As a Witless I read these quotes to mean what Witlesses know them to mean ' Be a Jw or die' - but if I was a 'worldly' person reading the same tripe, I would assume [incorrectly from the Witless standpoint] that Jehovah would determine who had said 'mark for survival'. Oh, what a tricky bunch this group is. Like a prism, the light is refracted into multiple meaning due to careful wording.

    The writers will have such an easier time of it when double ententre's are not needed with the 'Witless only' version of the Watchliar.

    Jeff

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze

    If jehovah makes sure they get the truth, then why did we have to bring it to their doors? Anyone?

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