I have just finished reading the book by Carl Olof Jonnson about the subject of the last days. A very interesting and enlightening book. I noticed though that there was no discussion concerning the preaching of God's Kingdom as a sign of the "time of the end". Has anyone done any further research concerning this matter? The JW's will always point to their efforts in the kingdom preaching work world wide as proof of the end coming as well as God's backing. Any thoughts concerning their claims?
Last Days by Carl O. Jonnson
by concerned x 9 Replies latest watchtower bible
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A-Team
The time of the end has to deal with Bible Prophecy, and we still have several major ones to fufil, Mainly Ezekiel 38 and 39. Just to give you a Heads Up, it took Almost 1900 years for Ezekiel 37 to be fufiled After Ezekiel 36, and its been 58 years since then as well. They are expecting Armageddon to happen at anytime...Their version of Armageddon wont happen, but there will be a battle at Armageddon. They choose to ignore Bible Prophecy just to focus on Revelation, yet there is still 2, maybe 3 Prophecies that have not been fufiled yet.
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Leolaia
Here is a post discussing NT passages that suggest that the author had in mind a first-century AD fulfillment:
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TD
Strictly as a sign of the last days, I don't think Jonsson needed to deal with JW preaching. It's a circular argument
A basic rule in critical thinking is that the proof must be external from the argument itself. In this case the premise put forth by JW's, (i.e. We are we living in the Last Days) is being proven by the one formulating the premise. IOW the JW's are using their own efforts as proof of their own claim which is neither here nor there as far as whether the claim is true or not. All it proves is that JW's sincerely believe their claim. .
Another manifestation of the circular nature of the argument can be seen in the fact that the idea that we are living in the "Last Days" is an intrinisic part of the "Kingdom Message" that JW's preach. IOW the idea that God's kingdom was born in the heavens in 1914, that Jesus has since been ruling as king of that kingdom and that shortly, this kingdom will be established upon the earth is the core message of the JW version of the "Good news of the Kingdom." Again, to use this as proof that we are living in the "Last Days" is simply a circular prior assumption of the correctness of the premise.
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DoubleVision
I read this book also, very good.
After reading it I realized that what the JW’s preach was a
different “Good News”.What’s kinda funny is my wife and I had this
call on a couple that we started to study with
and out of the blue we go to there house to study one day
and he starts a conversation with me and he starts talking
about how we’re not in the last days. I tried to reason that
we are, but he was very adamant about it and he stopped
the study. Looking back I always think that he must of
got a hold of this book and read it.DV
PS. I shared it with my sister-in-law non-witness and she snached it fasterthan any watchtower mag I have ever placed with her.
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Lady Liberty
Dear Concerned x,
WELCOME to the forum! Yes, that was an EXCELLENT book.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
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glenster
What I have on that so far is at the listing for 1987, "Signs of the End," on
the timeline at the next link:
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Shawn10538
Nicely said TD
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JCanon
So many misconceptions.
First of all, the prophecy about the "good news" being preached before the "END" is not a reference to the end of the world but the end of the Jewish "system of things" that was under the gentiles. That is, specifically, the "end of the gentile times" which occurred in 1947. And, of course, the message of "good news" spread by JWs had reached a worldwide audience by that time as evidenced by then president NH Knorr going on an around-the-world speaking tour right after the war in 1947.
So that was fulfilled. The small group of Bible students that began in the late 1800's, the first SIS published in 1886 grew into a worldwide organization by the END, that is the end of the gentile times in 1947. So that's the actual fulfillment of that prophecy. Not that JWs who actually did the preaching nor anyone else truly understands that besides a few anointed ones.
But I am also wondering why Jonsson, who seemed to focus more on academic chronology and history would put out a book discussing a Biblical topic like the "last days". When did he put out the book?
JCanon
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AK - Jeff
But I am also wondering why Jonsson, who seemed to focus more on academic chronology and history would put out a book discussing a Biblical topic like the "last days".
What I am wondering, is how you can provide support for the bullshit contentions you present - ie 1947 end of Gentile times.
While the nation of Israel was formed in that year, had they been 'trampled' by all the nations for the entire time frame you suggest? Your prophetic speculation on this is just like the Watchtower. Illusory speculation and premise attachment, with no foundational proof given.
Jeff