Revelation 7:13

by Sarah Smiles 6 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Sarah Smiles

  “ …Therefore the great multitude could not appear prior to 1918.” Riches pg 297, paragraph 2.

  “The identification of the great multitude has not heretofore been clear to those creatures on earth who served God. Now, however, we see that the great multitude could not be identified by the followers of Christ Jesus until the coming of the Lord to the temple. Evidently John, being in doubt, propounded the question as to the identity of the great multitude. Had he known, he would not had asked the question.”

  What are these which are arrayed In white robes?

  And hence came they? Revelation 7:13.

  “The fact that an elder propounds the question show that the question was not settled prior to the bringing of the church to maturity in Christ, which time is marked by the cleansing of the temple of sanctuary, which did not take place until 1932.” (Daniel 8:14) Riches page 313. .

  “Prior to the coming of the Lord Jesus to the temple many of the followers of Christ Jesus, and particularly the “elective elder” company, though themselves to be teachers and interpreters of prophecy, including the prophecy of the Revelation. It was not an unusual thing during the Elijah period of the church to see at conventions some “leading brother” with a group around him, while he was looking wise and expounding his “recently discovered interpretation: of some prophecy, particularly the Revelation. “They had every man of any prominence in the church foretold by the prophetic utterances and were giving much praise and adulation to some of these.” Riches 315.

  Today!

  “Yes the elder could locate the answer and give it to John. This suggest that the resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today. For their part, those of the John class on earth got to learn the identity of the great crowd closely observing what Jehovah was performing in their midst. They were quick to appreciate the dazzling flash of divine light that emblazoned the theocratic firmament in 1935, at Jehovah’s due time.”

  “During the 1920s and early 1930s the John class had stressed the heavenly hope both in the publication and in the preaching work. But increasing numbers of those who needed the message and who showed zeal in the witness work came to profess an interest in living forever in the Paradise earth. They had no desire to go to heaven.” Revelation Book page 124, study paragraph 17.

  How many times did Jesus cleanse the temple?

  When did Jesus say the multitude appeared?

  The fact that one of the elders could answer Johns questions suggest what?.

  How did the John class learn the identity of the great crowd?

  Does anyone know what the WTBTS says about speaking in tongues?

  Can people communicate with the Dead to gain divine light?

  Prior to 1932 did Jesus see the great multitude or not?
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  Arthur

  How many times did Jesus cleanse the temple?

  He's still working on it. There are still many of Fred Franz's old books and catheters laying around that need to be disposed of.

  When did Jesus say the multitude appeared?

  They never really "appeared" per se. They have always been "there" but have become more visible due to the increasing of light as the day is firmly established.

  The fact that one of the elders could answer Johns questions suggest what?.

  It suggests that the elder had access the the WT CD-ROM.

  How did the John class learn the identity of the great crowd?

  When they didn't get taken away to heaven in 1914, 1918, or 1925; an earthly class became a necessity.

  Does anyone know what the WTBTS says about speaking in tongues?

  The most important thing you need to know about the WTBTS and tongues is that the tongue is never to be used in marital relations.

  Can people communicate with the Dead to gain divine light?

  Johannes Greber would say yes. J.F. Rutheford would say yes. The palm reader down the street would say yes. So, I guess the answer is yes.

  Prior to 1932 did Jesus see the great multitude or not?

  He was busy inspecting all of the churches to see who the Faithful and Discreet Slave was. This took a long time, because he had to first understand just what the heck the Studies In The Scriptures were actually saying.

  If you understand the answers I just provided, then you now qualify for water immersion.
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  A-Team

  If Jesus came back today, the JWs would tell him to Shave, stop haning out with the wordly people and he must do 70 Hours of Field Service before the Recognize him.
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  Hellrider

  Yes, who are these in the white robes, where did they come from? But more importantly, where are they (in that particular situation), and when did they come. This occurs before the 7th seal has been broken, in other words, before Gods throne (and the "new Jerusalem") descends from heaven (last chapter of Revelation). There is only one possible answer: The great multitude are in heaven! - along with everyone else! Dont try telling your study conductor this, though...

  Or maybe the ones in the (tailor suited) white robes are Miller and his gang, that night in 1844, waiting the whole night thru to be swept away up into heaven, after having all quit their jobs, etc.

  How many times did Jesus cleanse the temple?

  According to the WTS? No idea, there was that one time in 1844, 1974, 1918...oh yes, three times. The answer is: 3

  The fact that one of the elders could answer Johns questions suggest what?.

  Nothing, except that the elder got up there first.

  How did the John class learn the identity of the great crowd?

  More importantly: What is "the John class"? Where are they spoken of in the Bible?

  Does anyone know what the WTBTS says about speaking in tongues?

  Yes, they don`t like it much, but on the other hand, the stuff that comes out of the Watchtower makes just about as much sense as speaking in tongues, handling snakes or other such activities.

  Can people communicate with the Dead to gain divine light?

  Apparantly, the WTS believes that its ok, cause they claim to be doing it all the time. After all, Russell and the rest of the 144K are "communicating" with them from heaven. Not to mention that they at one time loved the Bible-translation of Johannes Greber, who claimed to have been communicating with "spirits" when completing his translation.

  Prior to 1932 did Jesus see the great multitude or not?

  No, he had been dead for 1900 years at that time.
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  Sarah Smiles
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  heathen

  How many times did Jesus cleanse the temple?

  When did Jesus say the multitude appeared?

  The fact that one of the elders could answer Johns questions suggest what?.

  How did the John class learn the identity of the great crowd?

  Does anyone know what the WTBTS says about speaking in tongues?

  Can people communicate with the Dead to gain divine light?

  Prior to 1932 did Jesus see the great multitude or not?

  Pretty much the same answers I gave the first time you posted this.

  cleansing the temple would refer to the temple in jerusalem and he chased the tax collectors out . Jesus did say his body was his temple so in like manner the 144k are considered building blocks for a symbolic temple.

  The great multitude (crowd) are shown in revelation and survive the conclusion of this system of things.

  I think John was just having a vision of the future and the elder answering was just part of it. It does not mean that the dead anointed are comunicating with the WTBTS.

  The John class as defined by the WTBTS did not identify the great crowd since the great crowd live forever and survive the conclusion of this system of things . The people they promised eternal life have died . The rutherford millions now living will never die was a huge lie.

  The WTBTS believes the first century christians could do it but not today . From what I've heard not that I've seen it in print.

  I don't believe comunicating with the dead is possible and in fact is forbidden to even attempt it in the old testament .

  again the great crowd or multitude don't appear until the conclusion . So today there may be some depending on how long this system of things continues on .
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  Sarah Smiles

  These questions are based on quotes from the above books! Just to show that the John class of today still think they are getting divine inspired light, flashes of light! It was kind of strange to see they believed in speaking in tongues in Rutherford's time which was considered the end of the 144,000 class with only 8,800 a live today.

  Thanks for replying to my questions which were written because of quotes from the Riches and Revelation It Grand Climax Is At Hand!