Rutherford: was he all that bad? (And how can we understand him if he was?)

by slimboyfat 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Is there no one else who finds the rather one-dimensional character of apostate discourse on the Society's third president a bit empty?

    Even if it didn't end up that way, isn't it likely he was initially motivated by a concern for the truth, the same way many are drawn to the Witnesses even today? To paint someone as a villain is to invite incomprehension as to how they could have acted as they did. Isn't there more room for a bit of tragedy in the portrait we carry of this man? A tragic figure challenges us to identify with their weaknesses; appreciate the tiny increments of a person's life through which they become a personality most of us are repulsed by - a resultant figure whom even the young Rutherford may have rejected if he had somehow been miraculously presented with foregleam of the 'Kingdom' autocracy he truly would have part in fashioning. One prominent ex-Witness suggested Rutherford may have had anti-social personality disorder, which explains his unabashed hypocrisy and selfishness. But such neat resolutions are unhelpful because they promote numb incredulity, even self-satisfaction in the knowledge we could not have acted the same way given the same circumstances because we don't share his 'mental affliction'. Perhaps it would do us good to contemplate the more frightening possibility that his only mental affliction was that he believed he had access to the truth, and convinced himself that he had a key role in the outworking of God's plan. How many believe they have the truth? Many of us can remember that feeling. And what fine line of circumstance separates such 'faithful believers' from the conviction that God is speaking to them, even giving new instructions.

    You may condemn him for his actions during 'satanic' Prohibition for instance, which to us seem as blatantly self-serving as they do ridiculous. But isn't all religion fundamentally self-serving? How do so many doctrines proliferate? Is God sending mixed messages, or doesn't it simply reflect the changing concerns of different interest groups? In some ways I feel Rutherford is picked out by apostates because his 'badness' was incomplete and more complex than that of Russell or Knorr. It seems a widespread view that two changes would render Jehovah's Witnesses a lot less egregious (not to say harmless) to former members: if they abandon the blood ban and stop disfellowshipping. Rutherford formulated neither of those practices; harmless old Knorr presided over that. Plus weaknesses in the current historiography reveal an agenda to cover over indications that Russell was every bit the autocrat in his own right, and could even have taught Rutherford a thing or two. So why does Rutherford still loom so large in apostate villainology?

    Widening the scope somewhat, on a scale of evil, if we condescend to envisage such a crude notion, how does Rutherford compare for instance with a man who forbids the use of condoms in Africa resulting in the suffering and death of untold thousands of innocent (by the same man's standard of 'innocence') women? That is qualitatively as much as quantitatively more evil than anything Rutherford did in my estimation. But of course Rutherford was a tin pot dictator of a small time sect, not the 'spiritual leader' of a mainstream faith. The language means everything and nothing here.

    These are a few of the reasons why I think it's time to look at Rutherford from a different angle, even empathy?

    Slim

  • Stealth453
    Stealth453

    Nice try...he was still an asshole.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    I'm sure the Pharisees condemned in Matthew 23 would have been personable, perhaps even interesting and nice guys in real life. They certainly were human and not "villains". But that would miss the point.

    In other words, a person does not have to be cariactured as a one-dimensional villain in order to be worthy of criticism. President Bush, to give just one example, can be critiqued for his policies (and criticized on many different grounds), and while some do indeed cariacture him, it would be a mistake to regard strong criticism as necessarily unfair.

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    You have a point Slim

    I guess with his qualities, if he'd been a general in a war we'd be praising his achievments and viewing him as a hero.

  • Flowerpetal
    Flowerpetal

    Rutherford was the second president, Knorr was the third.

    My mother became a witness during his presidency and left behind some of his old records, which I have and listened to. I also tried to read one of his books, "Children" which I found very haughty and offensive--however, I was raised in the '50's, teen in min-60's and my generation has much different attitudes than people had in the '30's and '40's. Perhaps he appealed to the people listening to him back then. His records do bloviate a lot which puts me off and causes me to wonder...if I was an adult back then, would I have followed him? My answer now would be "NO WAY" BUT if I was raised with the attitudes people had back then (and you can see the same superior mind-set if you watch old movies) maybe I would have. Hard to say.

  • smellsgood
    smellsgood

    Even if it didn't end up that way, isn't it likely he was initially motivated by a concern for the truth, the same way many are drawn to the Witnesses even today?

    smellsgood: If he was "concerned for the truth" he wouldn't have gone on a campaign of identifying a false prophet who led people to believe for forty years that Armageddon was to come in 1914, as the "faithful and wise servant" or the "mouthpiece of God." Who then went on himself to promulgate and advertise more and more false prophecies, who solely and arbitrarily dictated and seeded more and more lies and deceit, whilst being disingenuous to the facts of the WT from its inception. He was a big ole cover upper, and an instigator of lies.

    :But isn't all religion fundamentally self-serving?"

    smellsgood: Not nearly to the degree that a cult like the WT is. They set themselves up as the bridge to men and God...Other Christian religions defer that spot to Jesus. Attempting to at least glorify him rather than themselves. Most Christians don't believe you need to belong to an organization, and the WT demands it as if God himself had come down and said as much on a Worldwide broadcast on Larry King Live.

    I would say that many religions are not self serving in the way of plunking themselves down as the swami to God. That is a specialty of cults.


    "Is God sending mixed messages, or doesn't it simply reflect the changing concerns of different interest groups?"

    smellsgood: Clearly the WT is a soveriegn unto its own, not bothering about anything besides its own agenda. Of course its just reflecting change (you're stepping dangerously close into "new light" bunkery) but the fact is they do it in a way that has the faithful believing they are this infallible entity, specifically and uniquely chosen by an infallible God to reveal the newer, better truthier truth. Thereby not only making fools of themselves, but unavoidably making a mockery of the God they espouse to fear, worship and believe this word that reads that God "cannot lie." Nor did he send a prophet whose prophecies fail.

    C.T. Russell was just as much or more a villian in my eyes, he was the original fake maker. Knorr was a piece of work too, all the leaders of WT dom have been instrumental in creating and promulgating their falsehoods, their lies, and are responsible for the consequences of the WT policies.


    "compare for instance with a man who forbids the use of condoms in Africa"

    smellsgood: That is the most stupid thing and it pisses me off. I was just going off on this to my Mum the other day. It's ridiculous, how many women, who are faithful to their husbands, were virgins, etc...have contracted the virus through a monogamous relationship with a soldier or whatever husband who went away and got busy with other women or prostitutes. This realllly needs to change, the worst policy I can think of in the Catholic church presently, is the no condom/ birth control.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    SlimBoyFat..Good lord man!..I thought you were going to make us laugh!..That wasn`t funny at all!..LOL!!.....RutherFord was an asshole..Drunk all the time.(worse than my penguins!)..Spent money on really stupid stuff like: A mansion for all the old prophets..Of course they needed cars,so he bought cars for them..Spent money on obscene amounts of liquor..And much.much more..All with donated money..Jim Baker did that and went to jail!.....Knorr told JW`s to lay down they`re lives if need be,for doctrines no JW believes now..What a waste..These losers wasted so many lives I have no sympathey for them.....RutherFord died of Rectal Cancer because of his lifestyle..He lived as a Rotten asshole and died of a Rotten asshole..LOL!!...OUTLAW

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    People who believe that they are God's sole channel are delusional and quite insane. If you give this any amount of rational thought, you will most likely come to the same conclusion. Beth Sarim = total Fluffernutter

    R's hubby

  • bigdreaux
    bigdreaux

    i have no problem with russel, i believe he was doing his best. rutherford, though, is to blame for the way the society is today. if i had the chance, i'd go back in time and kick his self-serving ass. he had a mansion and cadillacs while the rest of his followers were suffering through the great depression.

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