The other thread about leeches got me thinking, can jw's use those absolutely disgusting bugs you may find in rotten garbage but also is used to treat gangrene? I will not say what it rhymes with as that would be politically incorrect but I also cannot type that word nor say it, it is too disgusting and give me the willies. This 'bug' eats dead flesh anyway. I think if I woke up in a hosptal and found these particular creepy crawlies on me that would about send me over the edge. However they are a godsend to many and I applaud the use of them when necessary. I think I would be ready for the mental hospital during though. Can jw's use this bug to 'eat' away dead flesh?
can jw's use medically, those icky things?
by carla 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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exwitless
MAGGOTS
I don't know of any rule written in stone, but I would imagine that it would be a "matter of personal conscience."
Personally, I would die of dehydration secondary to non-stop vomiting if I had them on me. I do believe that in most cases, though, they sedate the person they use them on because of the severity of the heebedie-geebedies (creep-out-iness) they would induce.
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brinjen
As I recall, it is a matter of personal conscience, however I haven't been 'in' for a long time, they may have received 'new light' since then.
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TheListener
I'll look up the reference on the CD but the use of leeches is not acceptable. Because they eat blood.
-the fact that it makes no sense because God created them to eat blood seems irrelevant to the dubs.
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Poztate
the fact that it makes no sense because God created them to eat blood seems irrelevant to the dubs.
I am afraid you have your facts wrong. In the beginning god created leeches and maggots to suck fruit juice. In the same manner lions really really did used to eat straw and grain.
Unfortunately with mankind's fall from perfection so the animal kingdom gradually "Devolved" (opposite of evolved) to the present state they are in.
Fortunately in a few short weeks or months when the battle of Armageddon is over they will be restored to their original state of perfection....
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Sparkplug
I bet they can use them and have a maggot convention in the make now!
No, seriously, I bet they can use them if they want.
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fokyc
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w1982June 15p.31QuestionsFromReadersQuestions
FromReaders?
WoulditbewrongforaChristian,undermedicaltreatment,toallowleechestobeappliedtohimtodrawoffsomeblood?It would not be contrary to God’s Word to permit the medical withdrawal and disposal of some blood. But to do this through the use of leeches would conflict with what the Bible says. Admittedly, leeches are not commonly used today. Yet questions about using them do arise, particularly in Europe. Noting what the Bible says about blood can help us to evaluate such treatments.
For centuries it was thought that many ills could be relieved by bloodletting, or bleeding. Medieval barber-surgeons practiced this art, a carry-over being the red-and-white–striped pole that in some places identifies a barbershop. But medical doctors practiced bloodletting too. In 1799 repeated bleedings likely hastened the death of George Washington, the first president of the United States of America. Even when it did not kill a person, the practice of bloodletting brought many patients to an anemic state.
In Europe it was common to accomplish a form of bloodletting by applying a quantity of leeches to the skin, allowing them to fill up on the patient’s blood. Reporting from Mainz, Germany, Dr. L. K. Altman wrote: "In 1850, when patients might apply as many as 80 leeches at the same time for a wide variety of ailments, about 100 million leeches were sold in France. As late as 1953, Russian doctors used leeches on Stalin before he died."—New York Times, February 17, 1981.
Dr. Altman pointed out that even in modern medicine some doctors in Europe and in the United States use leeches in specialized situations. For example, they have been employed to remove blood clots in certain cases of plastic surgery or to draw off accumulated blood from fingers restored by microsurgery.
Where do Christians stand as to the removing of blood, and would it be fitting to allow this to be done with leeches?
After the flood of Noah’s day, God set out a change from the vegetarian diet that he had outlined for animals and humans in the garden of Eden. Jehovah said: "Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat." (Genesis 9:3, 4; 1:30) God explained the matter further in the Mosaic law. He said that blood represents life, a gift from God, and it is sacred. What, then, was to be done with the blood of an animal that was killed for sacrifice? The blood was not to be used for fertilizer, animal food or some such thing. It was to be poured out and covered with dust; in a sense it was given back to Him.—Leviticus 17:10-14.
Christians should strive to manifest that they appreciate the sacredness of blood. (Acts 15:28, 29) Accordingly, if blood is removed from the body, it should be disposed of, comparable to the Israelites’ pouring blood out on the ground.
At times doctors may have medical grounds for advising that blood be removed (phlebotomy). For example, with the blood disease polycythemia vera a person has excessive red blood cells (the opposite of anemia). The blood, thick with red cells, may produce clots, increasing the threat of strokes or heart attacks. There are various ways of managing this, but sometimes the choice treatment is venesection, drawing off some blood from a vein. The counsel of God’s Word would not rule this out so long as the removed blood was disposed of. Similarly, many Christians have felt conscientiously able to permit small quantities of blood to be taken for medical tests, realizing that once the tests were completed the blood would be discarded.
However, though leeches parasitically feed on blood in their natural state at present, it would not be proper for a Christian to permit leeches to draw his blood. (Proverbs 30:15) Even where this was urged for medical reasons and the leeches would later be disposed of, the use of leeches would involve deliberately feeding blood to these creatures. That would conflict with the Bible’s indication that blood, being sacred and representing life, should be disposed of if it is removed from a body.
fokyc
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TheListener
That's the exactl article I had in mind.
Good find.
That last paragraph is a real stinker.