NEW WORLD ORDER VS. THE LORD OF THE SABBATH
Furthermore, they teach that if you are not baptized into the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses Jehovah God will destroy you during the Great Tribulation. Pathetically, millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses professing this doctrine are waiting to enter into God’s Sabbath something Christian have been doing since the time of Christ!
Failing to understand basic bible teachings that all scriptures prior to Christ Jesus having come into the world are written about him. They are or will be fulfilled by him. Not realizing the prophets the physical temple, and scriptures are previews of Christ Jesus alone. Instead, they apply the, prophets, temple, and scriptures to Russell, Rutherford, other presidents or actions of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
Moreover, they fail to see the spiritual reality of the scriptures – viewing them with physical dullness in a hazy outline steeped in shadows, thus, stumbling into a life of self-justification by works of Law.
Moses was instructed by God to institute the Sabbath a physical Sabbath a shadow/picture of Christ Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath. It required the Israelites to stop working one day of the week. (Israelites were being feed by manna at this time in history) and in faith wait upon God to provide their needs for the next day.
Throughout the scriptures two (2) point stand-alone: “Physical/Law & Spiritual/Faith. 1.) Physical is always inferior or less 2.) Spiritual is superior and greater. Proving oneself by Law/any law is inferior/less and is mans works; mans work = sin/slavery.
Being justified in Christ Jesus is Spiritual/Faith superior greater and freedom, thus, when any doctrine misses the mark of Christ Jesus it returns to slavery, inferior, self-justification and death;
“On the Sabbath, while He was passing through grain fields, it happened that His disciples picked the heads, rubbed them in their hands and ate them. But some of the Pharisees said, “Why do you practice what is not allowed on the Sabbath?”
Jesus answered them, Have you never read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry, how he entered the house of God and took ate the loaves presentation which none but the
Priests are allowed to eat, and he shared with his companions?
He said further, The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Thus, Spiritual vs Law, self-justification through Law and being justified in the Lord of the Sabbath – which is greater?
The book of Hebrews tells Christian how to enter into reality of the Sabbath Moses instituted, that is, the Greater the superior Sabbath and how for them not to revert back into the inferior through self-justification and works of law.
“After God had of old spoken to our fathers at various times and in many ways by means of the prophets, He has at the end of these days spoken to us in His Son, whom He has appointed Heir to all things and through whom He made the worlds. As the reflection of God’s glory and the true expression of His being, He sustains the universe by His almighty word. And when He had effected our cleansing from sin. He took His seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high.”
“Today, as He says in David so much later, and as we mentioned heretofore, today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”
“Now, if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. Consequently, there is a Sabbath rest reserved for the people of God; for one who enters into his rest, by the same token rests from his work, just as God did from His own’.
Law hardens the heart the very thing sought through law, justification of our actions proves to be disobedience to God. Moreover, missing the mark of Christ Jesus the love of God, which softens the heart and allows us to enter into peace and rest with God.
Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot enter into the Great Sabbath because they cannot desist from proving them self through biblical rules. Furthermore, their doctrine teaches the physical New World Order is yet future Rest Day Sabbath of God.
Tormented by slavery to works of law slowly hardening their hearts to God underserved kindness through His Son Christ Jesus. They find themselves in loss for love of fellowman and steep in dark shadows of thousands of year doctrine
Their fruits are the same fruits produced by the Pharisees condemning Christ for such freedom given by a Father of Love. They have allowed men to take Christ place in prophecy belonging to none other then the Son of God.
Sadly after being disfellowshipped by the very people who disfellowshipped the Son of God they continue to punishes themselves by justifying themselves through biblical teaching only to condemn themselves more.
New World Order VS. The Lord of the Sabbath
by writetoknow 7 Replies latest watchtower bible
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writetoknow
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Sarah Smiles
The JDUBS do not believe in the sabbath day because it was done away with so they say. The thousand year reign is suppose to be now and at the end of Jesus reign is the tribulation, Armagedon, resurrection, After wards, Jesus turns his kingship back to the father which I am ok with then the New Heavens and New Earth.
Well anyhow, so I think most JW are confused as to when the sabbath really started since the JDUB say 1914. LOL, The more I am away the more their doctrines become blurred and I think I strarting to forget them.
Anyhow, so you believe that we all have to enter into God's sabbath day? or Lords day? The Lords day is a heavy topic. When and which Lord, does any JDUB really know?
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Philippus79
@ writetoknow
I'm not defending the WTS or the JW faith here, but you missunderstand some of their dogmas:
You write: "Jehovah’s Witnesses teach the Great Crowd pictured in Revelation 7:9 is the modern day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses."
No, they don't teach that. They teach that they (JW) will be part of the Great Crowd but there will be so many others as God sees fit.
You write: "Furthermore, they teach that if you are not baptized into the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses Jehovah God will destroy you during the Great Tribulation."
Again, this is not the official understanding. It is up to Jesus/Jehovah to decide who is worthy and who isn't.
Then there are some more points which I would like to remark on:
You write: "Failing to understand basic bible teachings that all scriptures prior to Christ Jesus having come into the world are written about him. They are or will be fulfilled by him."
How do we know? Does every account in the Bible have a greater meaning or a prophetic fulfillment? How many of them? How do we know? I for my part think they do and there is a way to figure out the dimensions
You write: "Moses was instructed by God to institute the Sabbath a physical Sabbath a shadow/picture of Christ Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath."
The thing itself cannot possibly picture the owner of the thing. The Sabbath cannot picture its own Lord, Jesus.
And I would argue that the Sabbath law was instituted by Moses but the concept of the Sabbath transcendences the Mosaic Law, if we believe in the Bible. It is a divine rhythm, a concept we first encounter in Genesis 2:1,2. Thus it is older and superior to the Mosaic Law which was abolished by Jesus.
You write: "Throughout the scriptures two (2) point stand-alone: “Physical/Law & Spiritual/Faith. 1.) Physical is always inferior or less 2.) Spiritual is superior and greater. Proving oneself by Law/any law is inferior/less and is mans works; mans work = sin/slavery."
I agree with the two points taken alone. But I partially disagree with the conclusion you reach. You are right in saying that law and works are inferior to spirit and faith but the way of proving of ones obedience depends on the time one lived in.
In the time between Adam and Moses faith and obeying one's conscience was enough and fine for YHWH. But between Moses and Jesus there was only one way to serve God acceptably. It was by obeying the Law of Moses which required works. You could perfect your works during this time by faith.
After Jesus it was again spirit/faith which was important and the way to please God and Jesus. Now we can perfect our faith by works that correspond to our faith. But you are right, works alone cannot justify us before God!
You write: "Law hardens the heart the very thing sought through law, justification of our actions proves to be disobedience to God."
Nicely put, I agree. There is no justification whatsoever beside through the ransom of Christ. Nontheless the Law was a tutor, a pre-school and it hold the definition of "sin":
(Romans 3:10-12) . . .“There is not a righteous [man], not even one; 11 there is no one that has any insight, there is no one that seeks for God. 12 All [men] have deflected, all of them together have become worthless. . .
(Romans 3:20) 20 Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin.. . .
(Romans 3:21-26) 21 But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; 22 yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. 25 God set him forth as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. This was in order to exhibit his own righteousness, because he was forgiving the sins that occurred in the past while God was exercising forbearance; 26 so as to exhibit his own righteousness in this present season, that he might be righteous even when declaring righteous the man that has faith in Jesus.
@Sarah You are right I think, there is a distinction between "the day Of Jehovah" and "the day of the Lord". Subject to further research.
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writetoknow
You write: "Jehovah’s Witnesses teach the Great Crowd pictured in Revelation 7:9 is the modern day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses."
No, they don't teach that. They teach that they (JW) will be part of the Great Crowd but there will be so many others as God sees fit.Jehovah's Witnesses have since the 1930's when the Great Crowd was introduces " as millions now living will never die". Held out offically that the only people suviving the Great Tribulation are Jehovah's Witnesses. Furthermore, they used Noah and the Ark as the counter part to the modern day orgazation of Jehovah's Witnesses being the only group surviving. That is, no children that are not children of Jehovah's Witnesses will survive the end if they are not dedciated parents of the organization. In fact, those point are made clear in the "Survival Book".
It has always been an uncomfortable position for the witnesses in the door to door work and franklymost avoid the offical stand of society. I would have to see the Watchtower artcial that actually states what you are implying in your statements.
You write: "Failing to understand basic bible teachings that all scriptures prior to Christ Jesus having come into the world are written about him. They are or will be fulfilled by him."
How do we know? Does every account in the Bible have a greater meaning or a prophetic fulfillment? How many of them? How do we know? I for my part think they do and there is a way to figure out the dimensions"He then said to them. These are My teachings, which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that every thing written in the Law (including the sabbath) of Moses and in the prophets and Psalms about Me must come true" Luke 24:44
I think you are parsing my words and missing the big picture of basic bible teachings. Jehovah's Witnesses from the bible students forward (over 100 years) have applied the stories (old tesiment) in the bible as applying to modern day Presidents within the society or the society itself - anyone that has read the many books and articals of the Watctower Society knows this to be a fact.
Many of the prophets and Kings of the bible prefigured Christ Jesus; Abraham and Isaac's, Joshua, Noah, Moses, David and we can go on. And the bible states these a prefiguring Christ Jesus. They help us to see a clear picture of what His rulership would be like.
The point of the post is we don't need more prophets such as Russell, Rutherford etc.. Christ is the reality of the old testiment. And when we look to any man other then Christ Jesus for futher prophecy we will be mislead.
Certainly there is prophetic fulifillment of the old testiment Christ himself stated there was and the apostle also did but each and eveytime they did it pointed to the center of God's purposes and that is Christ Jesus.
You write: "Moses was instructed by God to institute the Sabbath a physical Sabbath a shadow/picture of Christ Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath."
The thing itself cannot possibly picture the owner of the thing. The Sabbath cannot picture its own Lord, Jesus.
And I would argue that the Sabbath law was instituted by Moses but the concept of the Sabbath transcendences the Mosaic Law, if we believe in the Bible. It is a divine rhythm, a concept we first encounter in Genesis 2:1,2. Thus it is older and superior to the Mosaic Law which was abolished by Jesus.First the bible teaches that Moses was told by God to instituted the sabbath that not debatable it is a fact found in all bibles. That first command to obey the sabbath was given under the old law and thus the punishment for not obeying the sabbath.
Death was penalty (read your bible) and anyone not obeying this commandment was to receive death. That is the point of all the Law it produced death. What is the only way out of death for a Christain? Basic bible teaching Christ Jesus removed the that penality by fulifilling the Law.
If you do not stop justifying oneself By law then you cannot enter into Christ Jesus because He is our justification. Thus, He is the Lord of the Sabbath. If you enter into Christ Jesus you have life. It does not say you get life in a "New World Order" during the 1000 thousand year rule of Christ Jesus. You must be washed clean in the blood of the lamb Christ Jesus to survive the Great Tribulation that is the true Sabbath rest One must rest from their works and worshiping God through Christ Jesus.
If you do not enter this Sabbath of Christ Jesus you remain in sin and death.
You write: "Throughout the scriptures two (2) point stand-alone: “Physical/Law & Spiritual/Faith. 1.) Physical is always inferior or less 2.) Spiritual is superior and greater. Proving oneself by Law/any law is inferior/less and is mans works; mans work = sin/slavery."
I agree with the two points taken alone. But I partially disagree with the conclusion you reach. You are right in saying that law and works are inferior to spirit and faith but the way of proving of ones obedience depends on the time one lived in.No! The Law was to produce faith that is more then obedience and that is why Christ time and again reproved the Jew's that the Law did not produce the fruits of faith. Subsequently, they fail to recognize the Son of God. So he went to those cursed by the Law tax collectors and sinners. No one could be justified by the Law they could be justified temporary by the blood of animals. No one could perfect their faith by Law.
By the faith of the prophets they were justified in God's eyes and that is why if we do not have faith in Christ Jesus we cannot be justified in him.
This post is getting too long to address the Greater and Lesser perhaps another day. Please read Hebrews, Ephesians, Galatains, 1 John the subject stand out like a sore tumb.
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heathen
The j-dubs teach that the millenium has started ? I know they believe the first resurrection started and goes on while the 144k die and go to the kingdom of heaven. I think revelation states the first resurrection doesn't happen until after the great battle for rulership takes place on earth. They do have some very strange dogma attached to it .I also remember them saying they believe that God is still resting on the seventh day in genesis.revelation 20:4
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writetoknow
AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING 1971 Watchtower Bible Tract Society:
The Thousand Year Sabbath
Following the sabbatical pattern of sancitifying the seventh part would make the last 1,000 years of God's 7000 years rest a grand sabbath day or a sabbath within the 7000 years sabbath. Interestingly, Revelation 20:1-5 says that Satan is bound for a thousand years so that the nations of th earh will not be misled . While Christ Jesus, who was the Lord of the sabbath while on earth and is such now in heaven regns as the King. What rest! The miraculos works he performed on earth during his first presence, many of them on the sabbath to restore mankind to spiritual and physical perfection. (2Pet. 3:8 Matt. 12:8 1Cor15:25-28 Luke 13:10-17Rev. 21:1-4) Thus the literal sabbath day a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ. Page 1427
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writetoknow
The society tried to fix the sheep and goat prophecy why I don't know that has cause great confusion which it should. The sheep were people that did good to Christ brothers in our time (the last days) according to the society.
Those sheep are Jehovah's Witnesses today that survivie the Great Tribulation and go into the 1000 year rule of Christ (paradise on earth) The society later tried to change this teaching of the sheep and goat and place the period in the 1000 year rule of Christ which has to start after the Great Tribulation brecause that what the bible teaches. Rev 7: all
I can understand why your confused and others by placing the sheep and goats parable in the thousand years one would have to conclude Christ Thousand year rule has started.
It just make my point that much clearer when people forget Christ Jesus is the fulifillment of the scriptures and all we need is in him and him alone they will be mislead. The deeper they dig the more problems they create in explaining away twisted beliefs.
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JCanon
Those sheep are Jehovah's Witnesses today that survivie the Great Tribulation and go into the 1000 year rule of Christ (paradise on earth) The society later tried to change this teaching of the sheep and goat and place the period in the 1000 year rule of Christ which has to start after the Great Tribulation brecause that what the bible teaches. Rev 7:
Per Biblical inference, such as the "vineyard workers" only half the witnesses will be favored. Half are sheep and half are goats. Half true Christians and half "weeds."
Unfortunate, and in the end the organization itself is abandoned after Christ removes his sheep. The GB becomes apostate and becomes the "false prophet" to be destroyed by the UN when BTG is destroyed (i.e. the Illuminati).
It is soo strange, reading the Bible and then seeing Youtube videos linking JWs with the "Illuminati", and more than just Fritz Springmeier! Something is going on with the WTS and the Illuminati. We should call the WTS "Watcthtilluminati" or "Watchinati" or something like that.
TWO GREAT YOUTUBE VIDEOS OUT THERE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4jS2I9XSN4 (JWs named connected with elitist Freemasonry!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH86vaycH58&NR=1
JC