Talked with my JW roommate about children dying at armegeddon

by oppgirl63 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • oppgirl63
    oppgirl63

    See prior post - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/143467/1.ashx

    After her TMS last night I got out all the info I printed yesterday concerning innocent children being destroyed at armegeddon. Talking to her was like talking to the wall. I simply made a statment a couple of nights ago about the JW's teaching that parents are responsible for their minor children's salvation. She said they didn't teach that so I printed all this out. She read it and wanted to know what my point was. I told her my point was simply to show her that JW's do indeed teach this.

    As we were talking she said I was talking about the second death. Now I'm bible stupid but I thought the second death was after armegeddon and after the 1000 year reign or something. I said I don't think this is the second death. This is when this system ends and the new one begins. She said that was the second death. I disagreed and said when armegeddon comes these innocent children are going to be destroyed with no hope of ressurection. Well she said I'm forgetting one thing....Jesus sacrifice. I was getting so flustered at this point. I said Jesus sacrifice isn't going to do these little ones a damn bit it good...they are toast. AM I WRONG IN THE WAY I THINK THE JW BELIEVE?

    She then says all these scriptures are from the old testament. I said it didn't matter where they were from that that's what the JW's believe. She then says I'm confused and the I needed some bible lessons. I just gave up...took some pills and went to bed.

  • ThomasCovenant
    ThomasCovenant

    Hi

    Frustrating isn't it. You see, to admit it is their belief is to show what a diabolical religion it is. Therefore they absolutely have to deny that children will be destroyed. Even though the Society clearly state that only JW's will be saved.

    This is the same subject I brought up with my parents.

    Their answer? We don't know who will be saved.

    My reply.. Yes I agree we don't know who will be saved. But the Society say they do know. Do you want me to show you from the Society's literature where they repeatedly say who will be saved and who will be destroyed?

    Their reply? No

    Thanks

    Thomas Covenant

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    Tell her to ask her elders.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    You are correct and your room mate wrong. At Armageddon everyone destroyed suffers the second death, that is, they have no chance of a resurrection according to Watchtower Doctrine. The following quotes show just how Barbaric and manipulative the religion of Jehovah's witnesses is.

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    w9210/15p.15WorktoPreserveYourFamilyIntoGod’sNewWorld***

    8

    It appears that some parents are content to allow their children to drift along. The children attend meetings and have some share in field service, but often they have not built up their own relationship with God. In time "the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes" could lead many of such youths away from the truth. (1 John 2:16) How sad it would be for parents to survive Armageddon but because of past neglect leave their children behind as casualties!

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    w682/1pp.83-84Parents’MoralResponsibility***

    By all the evidences this system of things is hastening to its final confrontation with the God of justice at Armageddon. Parents and children who fail to gain the "mark on their foreheads," that is, an adequate appreciation of God’s moral standard, are sure to suffer. Parents will be held accountable for their children, and children will suffer for the failure of their parents.

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    w515/1p.286QuestionsfromReaders***

    Without being dogmatic, it stated that it seemed Scriptural to believe that children executed in Jehovah’s battle of Armageddon would not be resurrected. Here we consider questions raised.

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    Can

    weScripturallysaythatthoseslainbyJehovahattheclimaxofsuchjudgmentperiodsasattheFloodandatSodomandGomorrahandatArmageddongointoeternaldestruction?—I.F.,Washington.

    Please open your Bible and read Luke 17:24-37. It speaks of "that day when the Son of man is to be revealed" (NW), and the surrounding verses show that to be in the time of the end, climaxed by Armageddon. It states that at Armageddon it will be "just as it occurred in the days of Noah" when "the flood arrived and destroyed them all", and it will be "just as it occurred in the days of Lot" when he fled Sodom and "it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all". Since these are parallel cases, if it can be shown that the destroyed in any one case will have no "resurrection of judgment" it follows that those in the other two cases are likewise doomed. (John 5:28, 29, NW) The parable of the sheep and goats, now in course of fulfillment, shows that at Armageddon the goats "depart into everlasting cutting-off", thereby indicating the fate of those destroyed in all three cases.—Matt. 25:31-46, NW.

    It is interesting to note that during the 1950s and 1960s it was often mentioned that those dieing during armageddon will not get a resurrection. This is barely mentioned anymore. I think the WTS is ashamed or embarrassed by some of these doctrines and try to pretend they do not exist. However, it is not old light, as it has never been officially mentioned that there is a change or that those who die during Armageddon have any hope of a future resurrection, even those that never came into contact with JWs.

  • poppers
    poppers
    I just gave up...took some pills and went to bed.

    She has chosen the blue pill, the one that keeps her blind to what is real. You've taken the red pill, the one that shows you what's real.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    Your poor roommate probably just doesn't KNOW what JWs are teaching these days. That "light" flickers off and on

    so much, she's probably confused and just doesn't want to admit it.....new light....old light...new light...old light...

  • megsmomma
    megsmomma

    Oppgirl.....My step-dad had a similar reaction.....After I sent him the "proof" he said..."I think what they are saying is that the children won't be destroyed"...HUH????????? I guess he is planning on having all the grandchildren with him in the New system....so he can ignore their lives now.

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