circuit assembly

by bonnzo 9 Replies latest jw friends

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  bonnzo

  our new D.O. had a new to me explanation of something i've questioned about matt 24:45-47. i, along with some here, wondered why the "slave" in matthew is singular when the WTBTS says it has to be a "class" because no one person could live long enough to be the slave. personally, i've wondered why it couldn't be each person individually, but the D.O. says there is precedent. isa43:10 says of the nation of isreal, "you are my witnesses(plural) and then calls them "my servant"(singular), thereby justifying the singlar "slave" being a class of more than one person. just wondering what you guys think of that reasoning.

  also, i have a friend that is an elder who is used quite lot on the circuit and district level that i have interesing conversations with that neither he nor i would tell any other JW about. we have discussed the validity of 144.000 being literal, the Sealing done by around 1935(which has since been changed which we both thought had to happen) and other controversial things. his son is at WT farm and went to the annual meeting and told his dad of the "new light " regarding who the generation refered to. i told him i already heard which i had to improv cause i couldn't tell him that i read it here.he thought it made sense. i then asked him the scriptural meaning behind "new light". he looked at me funny and said "proverbs". i said that didn't talk about new light. it refers to the existing light getting brighter. what we have is an old light going out and being replaced over and over. there is no scripture that mentions that. i also told him that if a certain brand of light keeps having to replaced, eventually you change brands. he sort of grunted agreement. i also asked why we dont stop trying to interpret everything and just focus on the TWO MOST important commands from jesus(which by the way, didn't include preaching, which is always refered to as the most important work going on in the world)
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  TheListener

  Sounds like you've had some nice discussions Bonnzo. Keep up the good work.

  I have heard the Isaiah to Matthew explanation before. It does not make sense. There is no biblical precedent for linking the two together. If you are really intererested I would look at Isaiah in other translations and in a Hebrew interlinear to see other ways of phrasing the verse in question. As usual they scour the bible to find any verse that will support their argument.
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  OnTheWayOut

  "you are my witnesses(plural) and then calls them "my servant"(singular), thereby justifying the singlar "slave" being a class of more than one person. just wondering what you guys think of that reasoning.

  They can come up with just about anything. The Bible is huge, so you can pick out a scripture
  here or there and say it is a "proof" example. This one example is not better or worse than
  the ones they are known to use.

  i then asked him the scriptural meaning behind "new light". he looked at me funny and said "proverbs". i said that didn't talk about new light.

  That was excellent on your part. You didn't let their logic flaw go without comment. I never
  bothered to have my argument with the BOE, but I was prepared to discuss the flaws in
  NEW LIGHT thinking. I think C.T. Russell said that new light (or some other term) would
  not disagree with old light, but add to it. The truth getting clearer in the time of the end, that
  would mean that the FDS act discreetly and never say something until they are sure that's
  God's thoughts on the matter. If you weren't sure what the generation meant, you would say
  "We think it means those who were old enough to understand what took place before them in 1914,
  but we will have to wait and see." If you shouted from the rooftops that it was one thing, then
  later said the light got brighter, then you did change lights. Good job.
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  avidbiblereader

  Funny Babel means confusions and yet Christ when asked what the greatest of the commandments responded the same way,

  Then telling the scribe, he said "You are not far off from the Kingdom of God"

  Simple isnt, religion and power hungry men have confused and distorted God's Word to their own gratification.

  abr
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  MadTiger

  Curiouser and curiouser.
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  AWAKE&WATCHING

  Good job bonnzo!

  Hey - did I ever mention that I hate these lying scripture twisting bastards?

  Well I do.
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  oompa

  Good post, and maybe we should look into witchcraft now. I never thought about "darkness" before, but it came first in the creation order.

  (Isaiah 45:6-7) . . .I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. 7 Forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating calamity, I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

  (Genesis 1:2-3) 2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. 3 And God proceeded to say: "Let light come to be.. . .

  I am looking into this new light thing, why isn't there new darkness.....oompa
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  avidbiblereader

  It is a man made safety net to change course, teachings, policies whenever they want with an approval from the ones who dont want to think for themselves and lack faith that God can teach one through His Holy Spirit, both the leaders and followers love the false teaching.

  abr
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  GermanXJW

  This is not a new explanation, you find it in the Insight-Books:

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  it-1p.806FaithfulandDiscreetSlave***

  Commentators often view this as a general exhortation to any and all who have individual positions of responsibility in the Christian congregation. The requirement of faithfulness in discharging responsibility clearly applies to all such. (Compare Mt 25:14-30; Tit 1:7-9.) Yet, the impossibility of each and every one of these individuals being placed over "all" his master’s belongings at the same time, the time of the master’s arrival, is obvious. This, however, does not require that the "slave" prefigure only one particular person who would be so privileged. The Scriptures contain examples of the use of a singular noun to refer to a collective group, as when Jehovah addressed the collective group of the Israelite nation and told them: "You are my witnesses [plural], . . . even my servant [singular] whom I have chosen." (Isa 43:10) Similarly, the figure of the unfaithful "evil slave" could apply to a collective group in the same way that "the antichrist" is shown to be a class made up of individual antichrists.—1Jo 2:18; 2Jo 7.
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  GermanXJW

  This is not a new explanation, you find it in the Insight-Books:

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  it-1p.806FaithfulandDiscreetSlave***

  Commentators often view this as a general exhortation to any and all who have individual positions of responsibility in the Christian congregation. The requirement of faithfulness in discharging responsibility clearly applies to all such. (Compare Mt 25:14-30; Tit 1:7-9.) Yet, the impossibility of each and every one of these individuals being placed over "all" his master’s belongings at the same time, the time of the master’s arrival, is obvious. This, however, does not require that the "slave" prefigure only one particular person who would be so privileged. The Scriptures contain examples of the use of a singular noun to refer to a collective group, as when Jehovah addressed the collective group of the Israelite nation and told them: "You are my witnesses [plural], . . . even my servant [singular] whom I have chosen." (Isa 43:10) Similarly, the figure of the unfaithful "evil slave" could apply to a collective group in the same way that "the antichrist" is shown to be a class made up of individual antichrists.—1Jo 2:18; 2Jo 7.