As an ex JW, why do many of you support Iraq war?

by dawg 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  dawg

  I'm not trying to make anyone mad here, but you ex -JWs were raised in a cult similar to the Shiria schools run by Imams in the Middle East... Difference is, these schools are much harsher than the JWs. Most of you've had little succes getting your familys out of this cult (the JWs) but have somehow bought into the idea that democracy will help stop radical thinking in the Musliem world-that spreading democracy in the Middle East will somehow stop radical thinking; ignoring the fact that Syria, Iran and others are already Democracies of sorts.

  There are 1.5 Billion Musliems in the world; just like Christianity has it's radicals, so does Islam, most aren't radical, most aren't hard core terror supporting fools, but some are... they're everywhere, including Asian countries which are Democracies. IN Thiland last year, Southern Thiland was under Marshall Law, becasue of radical Islamic terrorist groups. SO the fact that Thailand is a Democracy didn't do squat to curb terrorism, nor did it do squat in Spain and the UK to name a few. All Democracies, all have terrorists living in their mist.

  So, what gives here? Without an explaination supporting your view, it makes me think that you are just parroting the Bush administration.... but maybe I'm missing something... do you that support the war have an explaination why you think Democracies in themselves thwart Terrorism, given the above mentioned examples?
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  dawg

  No takers on this one? I'm surprised....
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  zeroday

  Maybe people are just tired of the same ole topics coming up over and over again just to be argued and fought over if you support the war fine if not fine also...
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  emy the infidel

  Iran is not a democracy, of any sort. It is run radical shiite clerics whose goal is to kill all "infidels" so that their messiah the "12th emam" can return. They believe that he cannot and will not return until they kill all of the infidels ("the earth is washed with the blood of the infidels" or some such thing). Stop and think about that. So it is up to them to "hasten" his return. We're standing in the way of their savior being able to return (in their minds) !!! This is what most people in the west don't understand. This is "why we fight" (a troop saying) at this point in history.

  There are no true democracies in the middle east except for Lebanon (which is largely christian), but they are being terribly brutalized by Hezzbolah terrorists (which is linked to Iran).

  There are radical groups here and there that subscribe to this particular brand of islam. Some are Sunni (which is what AlQueda is), some are Shiite (Iranian). You almost have to keep a score card to keep track of which side any given radical is on.

  But the Iranian radicals in control of the gov't are a minority, but a powerful and brutal one. Hopefully the moderate iranians, who don't believe in the emam doctrine will rise up and overthrow the mullahs in charge. The mullahs feel threatened by a true democracy right next door to them. No, democracy isn't the end all and be all of all the worlds troubles, but it could erode the power and influence the mullah/terrorist have by giving people hope of not having to live under brutal terrorist regimes.
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  *summer*

  Ex-Jw or not...I am pro-peace.
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  oompa

  Come on Dawg, Please post what you e-mail ol oompa!!!! That you agree that changing the eviornment is the ONLY answer!! I thought you were going to post a Thread that indicated a conversion.

  Dawg: but have somehow bought into the idea that democracy will help stop radical thinking in the Musliem world-that spreading democracy in the Middle East will somehow stop radical thinking; ignoring the fact that Syria, Iran and others are already Democracies of sorts.

  IN Thiland last year, Southern Thiland was under Marshall Law, becasue of radical Islamic terrorist groups. SO the fact that Thailand is a Democracy didn't do squat to curb terrorism, nor did it do squat in Spain and the UK to name a few. All Democracies, all have terrorists living in their mist.

  I will gladly live in ANY of the countries you mentioned rather than Saudi Arabia or Iran (sorry that place is still a joke)....The difference in the level of freedom is enormous. Once tasted, there is no going back. The evolution will continue until Babylon Babes is published in every desertland in the world!.............oompa.....And what do you mean "Democracy didn't do squat to curb terrorism?????" It has curbed the hell out of it or you would have daily/weekly suicide bombers and such coming out the wazoo.....eh?....oompa
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  emy the infidel

  Syria is NOT a democracy, I thought it was a monarchy but I was wrong too.

  Wiki says:

  The authoritarian regime was not without its critics, though most were quickly murdered [citation needed] . A serious challenge arose in the late 1970s, however, from fundamentalist Sunni Muslims, who reject the basic values of the secular Baath program and object to rule by the Alawis, whom they consider heretical. From 1976 until its suppression in 1982, the arch-conservative Muslim Brotherhood led an armed insurgency against the regime. In response to an attempted uprising by the brotherhood in February 1982, the government crushed the fundamentalist opposition centered in the city of Hama, leveling parts of the city with artillery fire and causing many thousands of dead and wounded. Since then, public manifestations of anti-regime activity have been very limited. [citation needed]

  Syria's 1990 participation in the U.S.-led multinational coalition aligned against Saddam Hussein marked a dramatic watershed in Syria's relations both with other Arab states and with the Western world. Syria participated in the multilateral Middle East Peace Conference in Madrid in October 1991, and during the 1990s engaged in direct, face-to-face negotiations with Israel. These negotiations failed, and there have been no further Syrian-Israeli talks since President Hafiz al-Assad's meeting with then President Bill Clinton in Geneva in March 2000. [

  Syria's 1990 participation in the U.S.-led multinational coalition aligned against Saddam Hussein marked a dramatic watershed in Syria's relations both with other Arab states and with the Western world. Syria participated in the multilateral Middle East Peace Conference in Madrid in October 1991, and during the 1990s engaged in direct, face-to-face negotiations with Israel. These negotiations failed, and there have been no further Syrian-Israeli talks since President Hafiz al-Assad's meeting with then President Bill Clinton in Geneva in March 2000. [
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  dawg

  Thus the reason true democracies like Spain and the UK have terrosists. the point is Democracy sin't a magic wand that can be waved to defete terrorism... That's why you see guys like Sadar, in Iraq, the place we're supposed to be building a democracy, out in legions supporting Hezbollah and Hamas... they are using their new found freedom to support terrorsit groups.

  And as far as Syria, and Iran... sorry, they are in fact republics just as our own, just becasue they don't mirror the US doesn't make them non-republic. In fact the UK, which I'm sure all would agree is a republic/democracy, Is in fact also puppet ran by a Monarchy....still a republic

  THe problem is, republics/democracies mirror the country in wich they exist... in the Middle East, they'll mirror terroraism and our efforts in Iraq will all have been for naught. Period!