NOAH's FLOOD vs Science ??

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  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    OK, well this formatting looks weird...it should taste the same tho'

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    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/
    071118213213.htm

    'Noah's Flood' Kick-started European Farming?

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    A woodcut from the Nuremberg Bible of Noah's Ark, depicting the ship built by the Hebrew patriarch to save himself, his family and a pair of each species of animal and bird from the Flood (Old Testament, Genesis 6-8), circa 1493. Victoria & Albert Museum. (Credit: iStockphoto/Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

    ScienceDaily (Nov. 19, 2007) — The flood believed to be behind the Noah's Ark myth kick-started European agriculture, according to new research by the Universities of Exeter, UK and Wollongong, Australia. New research assesses the impact of the collapse of the North American (Laurentide) Ice Sheet, 8000 years ago. The results indicate a catastrophic rise in global sea level led to the flooding of the Black Sea and drove dramatic social change across Europe.

    The research team argues that, in the face of rising sea levels driven by contemporary climate change, we can learn important lessons from the past.

    The collapse of the Laurentide Ice Sheet released a deluge of water that increased global sea levels by up to 1.4 metres and caused the largest North Atlantic freshwater pulse of the last 100,000 years. Before this time, a ridge across the Bosporus Strait dammed the Mediterranean and kept the Black Sea as a freshwater lake. With the rise in sea level, the Bosporus Strait was breached, flooding the Black Sea.

    This event is now widely believed to be behind the various folk myths that led to the biblical Noah's Ark story. Archaeological records show that around this time there was a sudden expansion of farming and pottery production across Europe, marking the end of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherer era and the start of the Neolithic. The link between rising sea levels and such massive social change has previously been unclear.

    The researchers created reconstructions of the Mediterranean and Black Sea shoreline before and after the rise in sea levels. They estimated that nearly 73,000 square km of land was lost to the sea over a period of 34 years. Based on our knowledge of historical population levels, this could have led to the displacement of 145,000 people. Archaeological evidence shows that communities in southeast Europe were already practising early farming techniques and pottery production before the Flood. With the catastrophic rise in water levels it appears they moved west, taking their culture into areas inhabited by hunter-gatherer communities.

    Professor Chris Turney of the University of Exeter, lead author of the paper, said: "People living in what is now southeast Europe must have felt as though the whole world had flooded. This could well have been the origin of the Noah's Ark story. Entire coastal communities must have been displaced, forcing people to migrate in their thousands. As these agricultural communities moved west, they would have taken farming with them across Europe. It was a revolutionary time."

    The rise in global sea levels 8000 years ago is in-line with current estimates for the end of the 21st century. Professor Chris Turney continued: "This research shows how rising sea levels can cause massive social change. 8,000 years on, are we any better placed to deal with rising sea levels? The latest estimates suggest that by AD 2050, millions of people will be displaced each year by rising sea levels. For those people living in coastal communities, the omen isn't good."

    This research was published in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews.

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  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Science is a blunt tool. I gave up on them when I discovered that underneath what they estimated to be perhaps hundreds of thousands of years of accumulated ice cores was tropical vegetation. How could it have gotten there unless Antartica was topical at one point, which is consistent with antedeluvian conditions per the Bible. So the tropical vegetation suggests a global tropical condition which suddenly ended resulting in change of temperture for that region and lots of snow, apparently for the first time. That's all quite consistent with the global flood and enough evidence for me.

    In the meantime, scientists are likely deligent and doing their best, measuring all kinds of radiometric changes in the ice to determine age, but those theories and formulas can go either way, and who knows if things in earlier times, particularly related to the atmosphere are the same as now? There are just too many variables I don't think scientists could possible know or understand sufficiently to use some of the preliminary presumptions to directly contradict the Bible's chronology.

    So again, the standard Christian "cop out" applies. Trust in the Bible and write down your scientific questions for answering on Judgment Day. Exaggerated dates could have a perfectly logical and scientific explanation. Case in point higher age ranges into the millions of years based upon argon gas based radiometric dating of lava flows in Hawaii. The higher readings of lava flows known to have only been about 50 years old was due to the inconsistently higher levels of argon gas in this particular lava.

    Flood theories are always fun, but I have my own flood theories.

    JCanaan

  • Superfine Apostate
    Superfine Apostate

    ever heard of ice ages, jcanon?

  • marmot
    marmot

    JCanon, I seem to be providing you the same answers over and over again to the same erroneous statements.

    Greenland and much of the polar regions were tropical at one time because they WERE in the tropics. Around 250 million years ago during the Mesozoic all the continents were part of large land mass called Pangea. You can see evidence for this by taking any world map and noting how South America dovetails perfectly with Africa. There are rock formations in Newfoundland that match up perfectly with ones in Scotland, showing that the two continents were once joined. The formation and breakup of supercontinents is a cyclical phenomenon in the earth's history and scientists have evidence of at least one previous supercontinent called Gondwana.

    As for the lava flows in Hawaii, I told you before that the initial test used argon-argon dating that didn't take into account olivine inclusions. Potassium-argon dating showed the proper age.

    You make blanket statements about scientists yet you do improper research. You really should because there are Christians out there who support science and are able to reconcile their faith at the same time. Young earth creationism and flood geology are not necessary for your belief system and they have been completely debunked, I don't know why you fight so hard for them.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    It's too bad that the Black Sea inundation had the catchy "Noah's Flood" moniker when the much later Mesopotamian floods have greater relevance to the biblical deluge. The time depth of 5,000 years between the event and the composition of Flood narratives is also imho too vast for historical memory.

  • the dreamer dreaming
    the dreamer dreaming

    not long ago discovery channel presented their best guess at the noah's flood myth origins and it seemed quite convincing.

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    JCanon

    Science is a blunt tool. I gave up on them when I discovered that underneath what they estimated to be perhaps hundreds of thousands of years of accumulated ice cores was tropical vegetation. How could it have gotten there unless Antartica was topical at one point, which is consistent with antedeluvian conditions per the Bible. So the tropical vegetation suggests a global tropical condition which suddenly ended resulting in change of temperture for that region and lots of snow, apparently for the first time. That's all quite consistent with the global flood and enough evidence for me.

    Well, I'm sure the goat-herders, who wrote the Bible, sitting around the camp fire eating roasted goat parts, understood science and geology a lot better than these so-called academics we have today.

    The goatherders have proof. They heard the voices of God, angels, demons and other invisible critters that-go-bump-in-the-night...in their very own heads.

    What further, measurable, verifiable proof do we need than that ??

    Rabbit

  • B_Deserter
    B_Deserter

    marmot, arguing with people like JCanon is fruitless. It doesn't matter how many times you beat down his foolish notions, he comes right back with them. It's rather like Uri Gellar touting his spoon-bending once again, despite the fact that the trick was proven to be a fraud on national television.

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