Matthew's Potter's Field Story Is a Fake

by JosephAlward 5 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    According to Matthew, Jesus says that Jeremiah spoke of events which would foreshadow the priests' purchase of the potter's field with the thirty pieces of silver Judas obtained for his betrayal of Jesus:

    "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders... And they... bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; And gave them for the potter's field" (Matthew 27:3-10)

    However, there is nothing like this "spoken of" in anywhere in the Bible. There are two stories (see below) which deal either with silver and a potter, or silver and a field being purchased, but neither of them have the remotest connection to a betrayer, blood money, and the purchase of a burying field, which Matthew said was "spoken of."

    There is a story in Jeremiah about a man who bought his cousin's field, but it has nothing to do with anyone paying thirty pieces of silver for a potter's field. It has only to do with a man exercising his right to land ownership. Readers may confirm the facts for themselves. Here is the story:

    "...your uncle is going to come to you and say, `Buy my field at Anathoth, because as nearest relative it is your right and duty to buy it'...so I bought the field at Anathoth from my cousin Hanamel and weighed out for him seventeen shekels of silver." (Jeremiah 32:7-10)

    The other story is found in Zechariah, but it only describes a man angrily throwing thirty pieces of silver at a potter. It has nothing to do with buying a field from a potter. Here is the story:

    "And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD. (Zechariah 11:12-13)

    Unfortunately for the inerrantist, the Zechariah and Jeremiah stories seems to be the ones Matthew had in mind. The evidence of this is found in the words Matthew used, "the price of him that was valued." There is nowhere else in the Bible a phrase like this, except the one in Zechariah: " price that I was prised at of them." This cannot be a coincidence, especially since there is other information in the Zechariah passage which correlates roughly with the "thirty pieces of silver" and the "potter" that Matthew spoke of.

    Thus, it seems that an inattentive Matthew, perhaps too lazy to look up the Zechariah verse, or perhaps not having a copy of it to look up, just remembered wrong. Matthew may have recalled the "thirty pieces of silver," and the potter, from Zechariah and inadvertently combined those facts with Jeremiah's description of the purchase of a field for seventeen shekels. No matter how it happened, though; Matthew was wrong. There is nowhere in the Bible a story about a man paying thirty pieces of silver for a potter's field.

    But, it's worse than merely Matthew being in error; Matthew told a story that he seems to have been just made up from bits and pieces of two misremembered passages from the Old Testament. In fairness to the Matthew author, he may have sincerely believed that he was telling a story about Jesus that he thought must have happened, because he thought that the stories in the Old Testament prefigured coming events in the life of Jesus. However, it's clear that this author was badly mistaken. Thus, the Bible, once again, is in error.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"
    http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Mr. Alward,
    I most enjoy your posts. It makes a person think. However, I am not the smartest person alive, and I am having a hard time understanding what your point is. Is their another way to explain this biblical error? Like you, I definitly believe the bible has a big problem with being consistant. And in some cases, flat out wrong. Please help me understand your post better.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    OK, Jayhawk, I don't mind explaining the error again.

    Throughout time, evil men have betrayed other men for money. The Matthew author or authors (perhaps) believed that person named Judas betrayed Jesus, and thought it only reasonable that Judas did it for money--in this case, the coin of the realm--silver. Matthew, who may have sincerely believed that Jesus existed and actually was the savior who would follow King David, just *assumed* that the Old Testament contained stories which prefigured (foretold, prophesied) events in the life of the coming savior. Thus, Matthew wracked his mind to recall stories from the Old Testament which seemed to relate to silver being given to someone. What happened next was explained in my post: Matthew misremembered stories about a man buying a field with (seventeen shekels) of silver, and that jogged his memory about thirty pieces of silver being thrown at a potter, but Matthew blended these facts together to come up with--in complete sincerity--what he thought was a *single* Old Testament story about thirty pieces of silver being paid to a potter for a field.

    Thus, we have strong evidence that the story about Judas' thirty pieces of silver being used by the priests to buy a potter's field is completely ficticious.

    I hope this helps.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"
    http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Ok, now I understand the point you are trying to make. The way the Jehovah's Witnesses explain the signifigance of the 30 silver pieces is as follows. Slaves were given a price of 30 silver pieces. Judas betrayed Jesus to the priests. Jesus was sold to the priests at the price of 30 silver pieces. Again, predetermined by the Mosaic Law. When Judas returned the money, (Or actually bought the piece of land depending on which bible writer you believe.) the piece of land was bought with it. I am not sure if this is the absolute truth on the subject, but this is what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach. And not that I really care, I just like coming in this section of the board to read the debates.

    Thanks for explaining your position so I could understand it better. By the time I get home from work, I have a hard time thinking too deeply.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    Jayhawk,

    You understood the point I made about Matthew's story being a complete fabrication, based on two or more stories from the Old Testament which had nothing whatsoever to do with a betrayer, blood money, a burying field, or money thrown at a potter?

    That Matthew's story about Judas is completely false, and based on misrembered or misunderstood stories in the Old Testament? That there never was any money given Judas, no field bought from a potter?

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"
    http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    I feel it is very possable to believe the gospels could be fabricated. I think somebody (Matthew) could have tried to spice up his rendering of the Judas account. After all, the early christians were trying to get a following started. I just thought I would try to give you a good imitation of Larsguy. All JW explanations jump all over the bible to make their case. I don't know if Larsguy is a JW, but he sure explains the bible like one.

    BTW, JWs would have you believe Matthew's story is simply biblical coincidence.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

    Here is the page of the dumbest Jehovah's Witness I have ever seen.
    http://hometown.aol.com/onjehovahside/

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