Do you think religion is part of our genes?

by Undecided 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    It seems religion has played a part in man's life through history. It has been good and bad, but seems to control society in some way or another. Is there some brain function that causes humans to develope the need for a diety? Maybe we see the end comming and can't stand the idea of just dying and be done with life.

    I went to church this morning and it just seems to me that all the philosophy is just myths, made up by men to explain some of the unexplainable things of existance. Sometimes I think maybe I'll just try the being saved idea and see what it does for me, but just can't seem to dismiss the questions in my mind.

    The other night my wife went while I was gone to the coast to winterize the camper and the preacher told of this woman dying for not taking a blood tranfusion. She was the JW mother of the wife of a substitute preacher. He said she died twice for not using blood, one for not taking a transfusion and also for not drinking the blood of Christ. She is a lost forever.

    Today the preacher was saying how loving God is to have given us his son so we could be saved. I was wondering what will happen to all those who died beore Christ was born? He never explains what happens to them.

    Ken P.

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07

    Well - I see it as a possibility. If we trace religion back in time ("rewind the tape") I think it's fairly obvious that we started out worshiping the things that seemed immediately to be the cause of life and health, and to fear those forces that were "evil" (dangerous).

    From the very simplistic light = good (safe, you can see any predator etc., warm) and darkness = bad (unsafe, not sure what lurks, cold), to the "life giving" properties of the sun, the rain, the wind etc.

    Of course, it would have had to have a selective edge over non-belief in order to be part of our genes. I can think of several things; fear of danger (darkness, bad weather) could keep you safer than if you thought you could stand a chance against it, and perhaps sexual selection comes into play as well - males (or females) who conveyed a philosophy about life and how things worked may have been more in demand ("sexier") than those who simply didn't care.

    Or - perhaps no selective pressure was needed. The notion that someone has to have created all this is so immediate and logical that it took several tens of thousands of years for anyone to come up with an alternative. Perhaps it was just accepted as fact from the get go. If so, genes probably aren't the answer anyway (could still be though) and we wouldn't be "hardwired" for belief. But there has been some research indicating that we are "hardwired" for it.

    Agent detection evolved because assuming the presence of an agent -- which is jargon for any creature with volitional, independent behavior -- is more adaptive than assuming its absence. If you are a caveman on the savannah, you are better off presuming that the motion you detect out of the corner of your eye is an agent and something to run from, even if you are wrong. If it turns out to have been just the rustling of leaves, you are still alive; if what you took to be leaves rustling was really a hyena about to pounce, you are dead.

    A classic experiment from the 1940s by the psychologists Fritz Heider and Marianne Simmel suggested that imputing agency is so automatic that people may do it even for geometric shapes. For the experiment, subjects watched a film of triangles and circles moving around. When asked what they had been watching, the subjects used words like "chase" and "capture." They did not just see the random movement of shapes on a screen; they saw pursuit, planning, escape.

    So if there is motion just out of our line of sight, we presume it is caused by an agent, an animal or person with the ability to move independently. This usually operates in one direction only; lots of people mistake a rock for a bear, but almost no one mistakes a bear for a rock.

    What does this mean for belief in the supernatural? It means our brains are primed for it, ready to presume the presence of agents even when such presence confounds logic. "The most central concepts in religions are related to agents," Justin Barrett, a psychologist, wrote in his 2004 summary of the byproduct theory, "Why Would Anyone Believe in God?" Religious agents are often supernatural, he wrote, "people with superpowers, statues that can answer requests or disembodied minds that can act on us and the world."

    A second mental module that primes us for religion is causal reasoning. The human brain has evolved the capacity to impose a narrative, complete with chronology and cause-and-effect logic, on whatever it encounters, no matter how apparently random. "We automatically, and often unconsciously, look for an explanation of why things happen to us," Barrett wrote, "and `stuff just happens' is no explanation. Gods, by virtue of their strange physical properties and their mysterious superpowers, make fine candidates for causes of many of these unusual events." The ancient Greeks believed thunder was the sound of Zeus's thunderbolt. Similarly, a contemporary woman whose cancer treatment works despite 10-to-1 odds might look for a story to explain her survival. It fits better with her causal-reasoning tool for her recovery to be a miracle, or a reward for prayer, than for it to be just a lucky roll of the dice.

    A third cognitive trick is a kind of social intuition known as theory of mind. It's an odd phrase for something so automatic, since the word "theory" suggests formality and self-consciousness. Other terms have been used for the same concept, like intentional stance and social cognition. One good alternative is the term Atran uses: folkpsychology.

    Folkpsychology, as Atran and his colleagues see it, is essential to getting along in the contemporary world, just as it has been since prehistoric times. It allows us to anticipate the actions of others and to lead others to believe what we want them to believe; it is at the heart of everything from marriage to office politics to poker. People without this trait, like those with severe autism, are impaired, unable to imagine themselves in other people's heads.

    The process begins with positing the existence of minds, our own and others', that we cannot see or feel. This leaves us open, almost instinctively, to belief in the separation of the body (the visible) and the mind (the invisible). If you can posit minds in other people that you cannot verify empirically, suggests Paul Bloom, a psychologist and the author of "Descartes' Baby," published in 2004, it is a short step to positing minds that do not have to be anchored to a body. And from there, he said, it is another short step to positing an immaterial soul and a transcendent God.

    So trying to explain the adaptiveness of religion means looking for how it might have helped early humans survive and reproduce. As some adaptationists see it, this could have worked on two levels, individual and group. Religion made people feel better, less tormented by thoughts about death, more focused on the future, more willing to take care of themselves. As William James put it, religion filled people with "a new zest which adds itself like a gift to life . . . an assurance of safety and a temper of peace and, in relation to others, a preponderance of loving affections."

    Such sentiments, some adaptationists say, made the faithful better at finding and storing food, for instance, and helped them attract better mates because of their reputations for morality, obedience and sober living. The advantage might have worked at the group level too, with religious groups outlasting others because they were more cohesive, more likely to contain individuals willing to make sacrifices for the group and more adept at sharing resources and preparing for warfare.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    In our genes is a tendency to conform and follow the group. It is these instincts that have helped us to survive and prosper as a species. The same can be observed in many lower animals. That same trait helps the spread of mind virii, such as religion within the group. However, it's my opinion that part of us is 'spirit'. This can be discerned within the subconscious through various practices. This spiritual nature can be easily given away and/or hyjacked by others. Religion is always at the ready to take it in hand. Religion is the industry of vicarious experience,

    S

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    I think it's part of our genes in a way.

    As a child, it's in our genes to trust whatever our parents say. That's why so many people follow in the religious footsteps of their parents.

    As Satanus said, many people are just sheep. They like to fit in, so it could be to do with that too. Being raised a JW, I hate same group thinking now, and I try to be individual in most things.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    I don't think it's in our genes, I think it's just in our experience. I think it all began when man looked around and was frightened of, or had no explanation for, so many things that modern man takes for granted. The weather, the seasons, night and day, death etc. etc. The beliefs became more sophisticated, as we did. Personally, I believe we've rather outgrown it.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Jung, Freud, Hesse, and Campbell all offer interesting perspectives.

    I guess the simplist reply is that religions are attempts at answering the "unanswerable".

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    Today the preacher was saying how loving God is to have given us his son so we could be saved. I was wondering what will happen to all those who died beore Christ was born? He never explains what happens to them.

    I have never encountered anyone with religion, dogma, theories as to our existence, etc, who can get all their ducks in a row.

    If you ever find someone with all their ducks in a row, that will be the truth.

    But I dont think their is any truth for man just confusions.

    And I think that is programed into our genes. We have been programed like animals, dogs, cows etc. We are smart enough to do our jobs and thats it. Our job seems to be cultivating and inhabiting the earth.

  • changeling
    changeling

    If so, I'm genetically deficient. I often said (even as a witness) that had I not been raised in a religiously inclined home, I would not have sought out a religion on my own.

    I'm with nvr on this one: the concept of god and worship are the product of early man trying to answer "unanswerable" questions. Nothing more, notheing less.

    changeling

  • Maddie
    Maddie

    DNA theory
    By Elizabeth Day
    Last Updated: 12:58am GMT 15/11/2004


    Religious belief is determined by a person's genetic make-up according to a study by a leading scientist.

    After comparing more than 2,000 DNA samples, an American molecular geneticist has concluded that a person's capacity to believe in God is linked to brain chemicals.

    His findings were criticised last night by leading clerics, who challenge the existence of a "god gene" and say that the research undermines a fundamental tenet of faith - that spiritual enlightenment is achieved through divine transformation rather than the brain's electrical impulses.

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    Dr Dean Hamer, the director of the Gene Structure and Regulation Unit at the National Cancer Institute in America, asked volunteers 226 questions in order to determine how spiritually connected they felt to the universe. The higher their score, the greater a person's ability to believe in a greater spiritual force and, Dr Hamer found, the more likely they were to share the gene, VMAT2.

    Studies on twins showed that those with this gene, a vesicular monoamine transporter that regulates the flow of mood-altering chemicals in the brain, were more likely to develop a spiritual belief.

    Growing up in a religious environment was said to have little effect on belief. Dr Hamer, who in 1993 claimed to have identified a DNA sequence linked to male homosexuality, said the existence of the "god gene" explained why some people had more aptitude for spirituality than others.

    "Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus all shared a series of mystical experiences or alterations in consciousness and thus probably carried the gene," he said. "This means that the tendency to be spiritual is part of genetic make-up. This is not a thing that is strictly handed down from parents to children. It could skip a generation - it's like intelligence."

    His findings, published in a book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hard-Wired Into Our Genes, were greeted sceptically by many in the religious establishment.

    The Rev Dr John Polkinghorne, a fellow of the Royal Society and a Canon Theologian at Liverpool Cathedral, said: "The idea of a god gene goes against all my personal theological convictions. You can't cut faith down to the lowest common denominator of genetic survival. It shows the poverty of reductionist thinking."

    The Rev Dr Walter Houston, the chaplain of Mansfield College, Oxford, and a fellow in theology, said: "Religious belief is not just related to a person's constitution; it's related to society, tradition, character - everything's involved. Having a gene that could do all that seems pretty unlikely to me."

    Dr Hamer insisted, however, that his research was not antithetical to a belief in God. He pointed out: "Religious believers can point to the existence of god genes as one more sign of the creator's ingenuity - a clever way to help humans acknowledge and embrace a divine presence."

    Just thought this article which I thought was interesting on the subject of a God Gene. Maddie

  • Gerard
    Gerard

    Religion part of our genes? No. Religion is a side effect from our self-awareness and curiosity.

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