The Gospel and JW

by My Struggle 8 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • My Struggle
    My Struggle

    Over the past month I have been helping out at a church on a discipleship series on JW. The point was to have someone there to teach the members JW doctrine with the end goal of them being able to witness to them. At the end of the series I gave the members the outline below. It is intended to serve as a guideline for them when JW come to the door. It is centered around three scriptures (Matt. 24:14; Colossians 1:13,14; & Luke 24:47) to create a skeleton of the Christian gospel. I wanted to get some opinions on the outline. Keep in mind that it is not practical for the discussion to be too long, because I waned something of reasonable length that could be used in one setting. Critique away……

    "Preaching the gospel to Jehovah’s Witnesses"

    1. You believe that Jesus commissioned you at Matt. 24:14 to "preach this good news of the kingdom"?

    -The answer will be ‘yes’.

    -Matt 24:14 reads, " 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." *

    - The New World Translation uses "good news" in place of "gospel". This is not a significant change because they mean the same thing, but it is something to be aware of.

    2. What do you believe that "the good news of the kingdom is"?

    -JW doctrine teaches them that this is Christ rulership in heaven, but only since the year 1914. Here is their doctrine:**

    ***w5510/15p.623TheTriumphantMessageof"TheKingdom"***Consequently the kingdom about which this good news would be preached is the kingdom with Jesus Christ present in it in power, on his throne of active rulership. The Kingdom is, not one yet to be set up, but one now established….God’s scheduled time to establish that heavenly kingdom with his Son on the throne was at the end of the "appointed times of the nations," or 2,520 years from when the kingdom of Jerusalem in the land of Judah was desolated in early autumn or in the seventh Jewish month of the year 607 B.C. Those seven "appointed times of the nations" ended in the early autumn of 1914, about October 1. Before then the "good news" of the established kingdom could not be preached.

    -With the J.W. (Jehovah’s Witnesses) that may come to your door there is great variance in how well educated they are in the doctrine of the JW church. They may be well versed or they may not even be able to answer questions about core doctrines, like the one questioned here, as they may have not have been a JW long before they happened to arrive at your door. So, always be prepared for a blank stare or some ‘made up’ answer that is not in line with official JW doctrine. However, I will always give you the official JW church doctrine w/ references so they can look it up for themselves if any confusion occurs.

    3. Here I would agree with the JW that Jesus is now in power in heaven, and would tell them that all Christians would agree on the truth of Matt.28:18. I would ask to look at that scripture in their bible, which reads… . 18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. (emphasis added)

    4. After reading the scripture I would then ask, "If Jesus said ‘all authority has been given’ then does that not mean that he had power when he spoke this?" If his authority was to be given to Jesus in 1914, then why did the scripture not say ‘all authority will be given’?

    - There is no official church doctrine on why the scripture is worded the way it is, so the response will be widely varied.

    - Try to keep them on task by reminding them that their own publication (quoted above in point number two) says that ‘the kingdom’ in Matt. 24:14 is a heavenly one with Christ ruling, which if true, according to Matt. 28:18, means that he has been ruling since the time he spoke those words.

    5. Ask them to further read about Jesus kingdom in Colossians 1:13, 14. It reads " 13 He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. " (emphasis added)

    -Explain to them how this scripture allows us to enter the "kingdom of the Son" (which would be Christ ruling the kingdom). That by his ransom it forgave our sins, delivered us from darkness, and transferred us into the kingdom. In fact this is the same way the JW publications view the matter…

    ***w783/1p.18OurIncomingWorldGovernment—God’sKingdom***12 In this way the first-century believers in the "good news" were brought into a realm of light. But with what was their enlightened condition connected? It was connected with a kingdom. When God "delivered [them] from the authority of the darkness," he at the same time "transferred [them] into the kingdom of the Son of his love." (Col. 1:13) That Son is Jesus Christ.

    - In 1914 they believe that Jesus began was given authority in heaven and thus began rulership over the world in that year. The following is the JW’s explanation of how Colossians 1:13, 14 could be true, about being transferred into the kingdom, when it supposedly was not set up until 1914.

    -They believe that Jesus’ kingdom at that time was only over ‘spiritual Israelites’ (which is another name for the 144,000 going to heaven) and they were ‘no part of the world’ so, he was not ruling over the world. (Note: the logic of this is contained over several paragraphs in the same article of the 78 Watchtower) So, if he was not really ruling over the world, then he could begin really ruling in 1914.

    -Remember that they believe that only 144,000 are going to heaven, and that this Colossians 1:13 is applying only to the 144,000. They believe that they are part of the ‘great crowd’ which does not have a heavenly hope; rather they have a hope to live on earth forever once it is restored to a paradise.

    - If the distinction between the 144,000 and great crowd becomes and issue it will detract from the purpose of this outline and basic gospel. It is something of great importance that needs to be discussed, but only at a future date.

    - Their attention again needs to be brought back to the points of Matt. 28:18; notating the way Jesus spoke shows that he already had authority when he spoke those words at Matt 28:18.

    - Colossians 1:13 needs repeating at this point, so read it again.

    6. Now taking in Matt. 24:14 and Colossians 1:13 a clear message begins to come together, what do you see that message to be?

    -Hopefully they will be able to see what is being said, however it would not surprise me if they could not understand the message that is being portrayed. Remember that it is difficult for the JW to look at this message properly when they have been taught such a different message. Here is the official JW doctrine of the difference between these two scriptures:

    ***w8010/1p.28AfterThese"LastDays"God’sMessianicKingdom!***16 "Different"—how so? In that it has not been a witness concerning the kingdom mentioned in Colossians 1:13, "the kingdom of the Son of [God’s] love," into which the 144,000 "sealed" spiritual Israelites have been transferred already. (Rev. 7:1-8) What Jehovah’s Witnesses have preached world wide since 1918 is something unique, something that has distinguished these as being the "last days" of the political, social, judicial, militarized system of things. It has been a worldwide witness concerning a royal government now set up in the heavens, empowered to oust the Devil and his demons from the location of its throne.

    - If the JW is aware of this doctrine and they are persistent about it, not being willing to see that these scriptures fit together, go back to these scriptures and read them again. After reading these scriptures show them that there is no difference in the language used, that there is no indication that there are two different kingdoms with two different classes of people. If they claim otherwise, have them show where in these two scriptures a difference is indicated.

    -The point that needs to be hammered to the JW is that when Jesus commissioned the ‘good news of the kingdom to be preached’ he wanted this message spread: The good news to all is that I have rescued you form darkness and redeemed you, which has given you a place in my kingdom.

    7. Did you know that Jesus wanted a corresponding message to be preached to all nations, commissioned at Luke 24:47?

    - It reads, " In this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day, and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations—starting out from Jerusalem, you are to be witnesses of these things. "

    -This scripture is used very little in JW publications and to my knowledge never in conjunction with Matt. 24:14 or Colossians 1:13, so it would not be surprising for them to be unfamiliar with this scripture.

    8. Do you see how Luke 24:47 fits in with what has been discussed about Matt. 24:14 and Colossians 1:13?

    - Earlier we showed how using Matt. 24:14 and Colossians 1:13 gave this message: The good news to all is that Jesus has rescued you form darkness and redeemed you, which has given you a place Jesus’ kingdom.

    - Point out to them that Luke 24:47 completes the basic message of ‘the good news’. Luke 24:14 shows how we have been rescued from darkness and redeemed, showing that it was by Jesus suffering and subsequent rise from the dead.

    - In the end the good news is one message of Jesus saving us all, which allows us into his kingdom.

    - Some may still contend that there are two different messages being presented in Matt. 24:14 and Luke 24:47. There one possible objection that has not been discussed thus far, and it is not one presented in any JW publications, but is still a possible objection. This would be an argument about the wording in Luke 24:47, saying that the message ‘would be’ preached in all nations. They may contend that Jesus was saying that this preaching would be completed in the first century. However there are some points show them if they use this logic, and are as follows:

    - If Jesus was saying that this ‘would be’ completed in the first century. This would have been a hard-to-impossible task, further we know that no message about Jesus was completed in the first century. It took many centuries for this message to be spread to all nations.

    - Also, it should be pointed out to the JW that this is a unique translation of this scripture. Most translations have Luke 24:47 translated that the message ‘should be’ preached in all nations. This obviously leaves no room for misinterpretation that we should be preaching a message of salvation.

    9. At this point the JW is left with two distinct options about Luke 24:47 and Matt. 24:14. Either they are one message, or the JW is not following Jesus command at Luke 24:47.

    -If it is one message, then they are partially preaching this message. The parts they have wrong are that Jesus kingdom was set up in 1914 and that we do not have to be saved by Jesus to allow us into his kingdom. (I have not been able to go into the latter point as much as I would have liked. However, if they believe that Jesus is ruling now and they are not saved but are still part of his kingdom, then they obviously do not believe that salvation is necessary to be part of his kingdom. They believe that if they are not part of the 144,000 they are in the ‘great crowd’ and will be going to paradise, instead of heaven like the 144,000. It is only when they get to paradise that they believe they have salvation. On the other hand, they believe that the 144,000 have salvation currently while on earth before they go to heaven. )

    - If they still contend that there are two separate messages, then they are not preaching the message at Luke 24:47. The JW publications certainly do not put any emphases on this scripture or following its command.

    10. Conclusion and notes to the Christian.

    -This topic could lead to several other discussions, which would be helpful to talk about at a later date. It may be hard to keep things on track, as there is such a difference in beliefs, but it is necessary for this gospel to be preached to the JW. It is paramount to stay on track with this gospel and little effect will be gained by jumping off the topic to explore other doctrinal differences. After this message is given there is a wealth of other topics that could and should be discussed with the JW.

    -Remember that they are coming to your do to preach to you, not for you to preach to them. Not only this, but they also are taught to not listen to other religious thinking. There are several scriptures that should be shown if they are resistant simply because ‘it is not what they have been taught’.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine"

    2 Corinthians 13:5 "

    Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith"

    Acts 17:10-12 "

    10 Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas out to Be·roe´a, and these, upon arriving, went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni´ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. 12"

    -What I intended to do here was set a basic foundation of the JW understanding of the gospel/good news and provide a way for the true gospel to be preached to them. This is something that Christian should be able to use the first time they encounter a JW and be able to discuss in one session.

    - This is certainly not all encompassing and there are several other notable scriptures that talk about the gospel, namely Rom. 1:16, 1 Cor. 1:18, Eph 1:13, 2 Tim. 1:10, and many others. As you can see from the length and depth of this outline that if many other scripture would have been included the length of this would have been far too long for what it was intended.

    - If there are any questions about anything discussed or you ever need help in relating to JW, please feel free to contact me at [email protected]

    * All quotations of scripture come from the New World Translation unless otherwise specified.

    ** All references come directly form JW literature and are unaltered. They are also referenced, in the style JW use, at the heading of the JW article. Here is an example and break down of how they are used:

    ***w8010/1p.28AfterThese"LastDays"God’sMessianicKingdom!***

    The first part, w, is the publication, which in this case is the Watchtower. The second part, 80, is the year published, 1980. The third part, 10/1, is the month and day published. The fourth part, p.28, is the page the quote can be found. The finial part, After These "Last Days" God’s Messianic Kingdom! , is the title of the article.

  • Vernon Williams
    Vernon Williams

    You have spent a lot of time and effort in your work and I do not want to be discouraging.....

    As a JW in a discussion with some one....I would take back the conversation in two minutes and the person trying to talk to me would not have a chance...this happened too many times.....

    There is no way an experienced JW will fall in line with the format you are using....an in-experienced on or a kid....but a publisher with several years of field service....no way....

    My take,

    V

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    you've got to remember Jehovahs' Witnesses have been fighting their spiritual warefare for a lot longer than you. They are trained weekly on how to as Vernon says "take back the conversation". They have scriptures lined up - they have catch phrases - They are so indoctrinated that I one cannot reason with them.

    They have to search for the truth about their religion themselves, I don't think any witness has converted to another faith by a ""knock at their door""

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Sorry, but I have to agree with Vernon and LouBelle.

    Ian

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    At least it will give them something to think about. Especially Luke 24:47. Along with Luke 21:8, this is one the Society rarely uses.

    Perhaps because a few verses prior to that one we find Jesus showing His wounds and telling His disciples to touch them and believe that it is really He risen from death? His disciples being able to see and feel His wounds would certainly suggest a bodily resurrection wouldn't it?

    Ah, the WTS and its house built on sand...

    Sylvia

  • Shazard
    Shazard

    Task of Christian when witnessing to JW is first give your own testimony, there is no scripture against it. Second, seed doubts, put truth in their hearts and it will grow slowly but in meny meny years. Give only one or two unanswerable questions... Nice places are Isa 6 with John 12:40- (if I am not mistaking) and Heb 1:8-10 with corresponding psalm. When you show only these two scriptures which prooves that Jesus is OT Jehovah, they will have the seed planted... ofcourse they will reject it in the same tone they allways do, but it is not your taks to convert them in doorstep. Do not protect truth, just release it and it will rage itself. Do not protect lion, let it out of cage and he will protect you!

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Bump for the daybreakers.

    Sylvia

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    Discussing the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses usually is something that proves to be more frustrating that fruitful.

    OTOH I do believe there are ways to challenge a Jehovah's Witness that are much better than Bible battles.

    My suggestion is that if you really want to work on a JW learn about what I call their "truths, only to be learned by the faithful".

    Let me give you an example. I went to a door one time while I was JW and left a require brochure. A few weeks later I stopped back to see how the man who took it liked it. He said it was ok, but when it said stuff about the date 1914 he threw it away. He thought that was made up and wanted proof for it, and also stated that he felt I couldn't offer that proof. I fumbled around a bit and could not explain the doctrine. I was embarassed. He made the point to let me know that if I couldn't explain it then why did I believe it?

    JWs don't expect to have to defend things like their divine selection in 1918, the 1914 chronology, and other things. I would suggest this simple lines of questioning:

    householder: I heard of Jehovah's Witnesses before. Arn't you the religion that teaches that Jesus Christ chose your leadership in 1918?

    JW: uhhhhhh yes

    householder: Yeah I thought that JWs believed that. I was wondering if you could give me the facts that led you to the conclusion that Jesus Christ actually did come down from heaven and choose your religion. Do you have those handy

    JW: Not at the moment, but I can bring them back for you.

    If you start to respectfully ask quesitons about such teachings they will not totally feel threatened but will want to go home and come back with info. I would suggest that you actualy make an appointment with them the following week to bring back their 'evidence'. It is easy to dismiss it.

    All the while you must act like you are a potential convert and not just somebody who wants to be criticial. Your main goal should not be to convert the JW to a differant theology but instead to simply shake up his world. view. JWs are allways in converstion mode and will keep coming back as long as they think they can convert you. The goal is to let the Watchtowers information to fail in converting you and not that person. You want to walk away from your conversations thinking "why God, why did you not give us enough informtaion to convert that nice man?" Those are the types of things that work on the mind of a JW.

  • My Struggle
    My Struggle

    Thanks for the suggestions, they were helpful. I think that I am going to restructure it. I want it to be more clear that no one is going to change a JW beliefs at one setting. I made this clear to the church that I spoke at, but apparently I did not do that good of a job expressing that in the outline. I also felt that the outline was missing something in its approach, and I really like the approach of having them 'teach' their JW beliefs first and then play off that. Like Drew said, it will take the JW off the defensive. I have used that approach in the past, but I am not sure why I did not use it on this outline.

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