Givers and Takers

by wanderlustguy 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • wanderlustguy
    wanderlustguy

    I had a teacher in Jr. High in my advanced education class talk about givers and takers as a subject. Looking back, perhaps she was going through a rough patch…makes me wonder.
    This morning I had one of those moments of realization, basically from reviewing recent events, and even more so because I was mentally rehashing some conversations with someone who means a lot to me. It dawned on me the role she has come to play in one of the major events of her life, as well as who she became because of it. At first she may have been a taker, but through a series of actions and reactions she became a giver…or maybe found the giver in herself.

    So then it brings me around to the whole Giver/Taker conversation from 7th grade. Basically the breakdown is this…

    Giver with a Taker – Not good, eventually the giver runs out of stuff to give because it’s the reaction and love that is returned that is the juice for the giver. The taker expects things and it’s usually more and more and the reaction is less and less because it becomes expected.

    Taker with a Taker – Fine for them, because at least they get each other and there is balance.

    Giver with a Giver – Heaven.

    I used to be in a black and white world, but now with everything in Technicolor the variations and changes that can take place are much more evident. It hit me this morning that perhaps a Taker can become or learn to be a Giver, and everything stops being about them and what they want and becomes more about their place in the universe. The things that they wanted before don’t mean shit to them because it was all based on a cookie cutter that we were all given as the “perfect life”. I would imagine the shock from that has to be near the one I felt when I finally started getting my mind free. But now I see someone who is forced to reexamine everything and doesn’t even really see the person she is in the mirror every day because everything that used to be so stable and constant has become fluid and vague. Then the memories of life as the Taker are there and do battle with the new person, creating all sorts of emotions that run the gambit from guilt to anger to fear.

    Maybe I feel I made the same change, even though my life has been spent giving almost everything away. I used to give because of how it made me feel, and did it in volume. Now I pick the people who are important to me, and instead of spreading it all out over everyone I meet, it’s focused on the ones who matter, and that feels much better in the end.

    The other part for me has been to cut out the people or things that make me like myself less. Maybe it’s just the memories tied to them that remind me of who I was that is painful, but in any case, they have to go.

    Making a new cookie cutter is the hardest part, starting from nothing and figuring out what makes you happy. I’ve decided that maybe there isn’t supposed to be one for some of us. Maybe there are those who are supposed to float on the breeze and land where we belong, even if only for a short while. Perhaps embracing the chaos and change in life is the key for some of us instead of the generic “life” of 2.5 kids and a McMansion 2 feet from the next one.

    Maybe we just don’t fit the mold, and have to accept that ourselves before we can expect anyone else to. Perhaps when that happens, we can get past the fact that the Joneses appear to be further ahead of us, when in reality, they are stuck in a vat of mediocrity and mundane drudging along whereas we are free to experience emotions and events that most people would never dare wish for.

    I really can’t wait to see what happens next.

    WLG

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug
    Maybe we just don’t fit the mold, and have to accept that ourselves before we can expect anyone else to.

    I think that is the key to a lot of things in life. Great insight and writing WLG.

  • prophecor
    prophecor

    I've tried to strike a balance, WLG, between giving as well as being willing to allow others to give to me. As a rule, I have been one who is more on the giving side, then there are those who, once recognising you're a giver, proceed to take you for every ounce of energy they can amass from you. They will bleed your dry to the point of perpetual emptiness. They sit off on the sidelines and cheer you on. All along they've got their bets placed either on you, as they know you'll accomplish all that's in front of you, which is to thier advantage. Then, when they see your being caught in a tailspin and see you are about to crash, beyond recognition, they step aside and allow you to self destruct.

    I've had the unfortunate spin in life where I've needed to let people stay where they are. I've had to realise that there are those who it would do me no good to be of any assistance to them. My giving would only contribute to the further destruction of their soul, as it would only perpetuate thier taking from me, and the rest of society. Somewhere in the hail of gunfire, I've had to step away from individuals, and allow them to walk, themselves, into a firefight. You can give but for so long. Not that I'm looking for the ebb & flow syndrome that should occur, somewhere, in the issuing out, but once you've reached that place where there exist no return, whatsoever, then you place yourself in a very percarious position of emptying yourself to the point of nothingness.

    The secret science of knowing, when to to give and when not to be taken.

  • prophecor
    prophecor

    One once told me. "There are but two types of people in this world. Those who nuture and give back to you, and those who suck the very life out of you. It's rather extreme, black and white, however, I'm begining to see her point.

  • R.Crusoe
    R.Crusoe

    I know I desire a giver in my life, but they are rare. It would be my perfect match!

  • FreudianSlip
    FreudianSlip

    I don't think anyone is 100% Giver or Taker. If so, I have no clue which one I am.. Which kind of freaks me out.. maybe that's how Takers feel..

  • changeling
    changeling

    Good post wanderlustguy!

    Again, Ill pitch personality profile theories and invite all of you the take the test at humanmetrics.com

    When you understand your profile as well as the profiles of others, you can easily identify "givers and takers". You can then make an informed desicion before you start a friendship or relashionship with someone.

    You will learn what your needs are and what profiles are most likely to understand you and you them.

    changeling (enfj)

  • changeling
    changeling

    The most giving of profiles: isfj, infj, enfj, infp, enfp, but they have different motivation for their giving.

    Traditionally takers: esfp, estp, estj This is not necessarily a negative, but when paired with more sensitive types, can be fatal.

  • hoser
    hoser

    This is me.

    I was raised to avoid conflict and be a people pleaser. A good little jw.

    A perfect combination to be a victim of burnout and takers were naturally attracted to me. I had resources to offer that I gave up too easily.

    It took many years but I can now identify takers early on in the relationship and can avoid those situations.

    Most Jehovah’s witnesses are takers. They are friendly only if you are compliant to their demands. As soon as you step outside the box and do a little different they ignore you, hoping to shame or nudge you back into compliance.

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    HOSER:

    I’m sorry this happened to you, but Jehovah’s Witnesses are Users with a Capital ‘U’.. I hope you did well and are okay all these years later.

    It sounds like you were raised in.. I came in as a young working adult. Being from the ‘world’ 🙄, I was not raised a ‘people pleaser’, but was taught to look out for myself and therefore was less susceptible to the Users and opportunists in the Witness religion.. I was viewed negatively since I worked full-time, so I never gave handouts to pioneers who didn’t like me because I worked.. They could go ask somebody else for charity!….But I was hypersensitive to the issue and made sure if someone drove in FS I gave them money for gas or paid for their lunch.

    So many problems now for older people because the religion told them not to get careers but to be in the ministry instead.👎

    As an observer, I believe the JWs are a failing belief system and all the chickens are coming home to roost!! .. Armageddon didn’t come to save them from the fallout of failed predictions and faulty teachings… They have lawsuits galore and are changing teachings many people based their lives on and suffered for.👎 They look very bad.

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