Can anyone point out specific mis-truths in the Kool-Aid Watchtowers?

by AK - Jeff 3 Replies latest jw experiences

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    I am looking for specific points that are either inaccurate, or pointedly false and can be proven to be so. Not doctrinal or scriptural particularly, because most of that is twisted into the shape whatever religion you are speaking of wants it to say - but provable falsehoods or extremely leaky augmentations.

    I have an intended use for this - let's just say someone else might benefit if I can make solid points.

    Anyone dug into it enough to point out the glaring problems yet? I would appreciate seeing them. I am planning to begin my 'digging' soon, but thought someone might have uncovered good points to look at closely there. Thanx

    Jeff

  • lesterd
    lesterd

    I'm surprises there hasnt been pages in answer to you request, off the top pf my head;

    1914. in order for that date to be valid, all prophesy that applied to the second coming had to happen in that time frame, it hasnt. Each of the prophesies has been "enlighten" invalidaring the 1914 date, but the org doesnt give it up because it would be to big an addmission of false prophesy. History has 607 pegged as incorrect changing that date also. Chirst himself said no man knows the day or hour, no the angels or Christ himself, only the Fahter, I think that leaves out the FDS. That is why there was a split and the faithfull slave left the WT.

    One of the most irriating to me is that elders are presumptious enough to call themselves the 7 stars of the heavenly congregations. Their hands are already filled with the blood of innocent sheep that they saw fit to sacrifice in the name of keeping the congregations clean, not to mention the ones they stumbled along the way.

    The true mark of a Christian accroding to Christ is love, and the lightswitch love in the org does not quallify as THAT love.

    They are quick to judge for unscriptural gorunds to DF, but show mercy and forgiveness for pediphiles to the point of protecting from God given social laws.

    In one country you are to die before accepting a politial party card, yet in another you can bribe government officals to lie about military service and issue a card saying you had served in order to avoid coscription.

    Paul nerver practiced lies to avoid prison, Philp didnt lie to avoid stoning, so thier theocratic stratagy, lying to avoid the persecution in not Godly.

    The false prophesies written by Rutherford and Russel are not things that had to wait for enlightment, they were false then and they are false today, and stand in the glaring light of truth, truth that any one can find with research and an open heart ond mind.

    The suffering of Goldy people who have been mortally wounded by the WT society screams to heaven justice and vengence.

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    1) The beginning of the "last days" were in 1799, 1874, 1915, 1914 2) The end of the "last days" were in 1914, 1925, 1975 3) The time for Jesus's parousia: 1874, 1914, 1925 4) The Watchtower stated as "indisputable fact" that "beyond a doubt ... Jesus did appear in 1874" and began to rule as King in 1878. 5) That Jerusalem was destroyed in 606 BCE (later changed to 607 BCE) 6) The time for Armageddon to begin: 1874, 1914, 1920, 1925 (all specified explicitly in writing) and 1975 (also in writing, but phrased more cautiously) 7) The time for Abraham, King David etc. to be resurrected and live on the earth: 1925 8) The end of the 6,000 years was 1874 (later changed to 1975) 9) Jesus returned invisibly in 1874 (Changed in 1929, which means that the Society was "selected as God's organization" (1919) at a time when they did not even know when Jesus had arrived.)

    At one time, all blood products were unacceptable. Later, it was acceptable to take one transfusion (considered as medicine, not nutrition).

    Later still, "small amounts" were allowed, then not even minute fractions were allowed. Other changes followed.

    Is this evidence of guidance from the God who never changes? Is the light "growing brighter" when "new light" reverts back to "old light"?

    At one time, hemophiliacs were forbidden to take blood fractions. The June 15, 1978 Watchtower changed this rule to "a matter of conscience".

    Prior to that issue, if someone had followed their conscience, they would have become disfellowshipped outcasts --

    believed worthy of destruction by God.

    Organ transplants were called, "wonders of modern surgery" in 1949. (Awake 12-19-49) In 1967, organ transplants were forbidden:

    "Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic." In 1980 the position

    reverted back to "a matter of individual conscience." Would God, who does not change (Malachi 3:6), allow people to die because of

    the vacillation of his "faithful and discreet slave"?

    Doctrines regarding vaccinations, birth control, rape, resurrection, and marital sex have been changed many times, affecting millions of

    faithful Witnesses. How many have suffered needlessly?

    Is Jehovah not capable of accurately relaying to his "chosen" people what He wants them to do? Can He not reveal "new light" well enough to

    prevent us from seeing the exact opposite of what He's trying to reveal? If we must have the truth revealed in stages, can He not assist us

    in seeing each incremental part of the whole correctly?

    There are no Biblical accounts of Jehovah relating messages to His people which were then "mixed up" along the way. Noah didn't misunderstand

    Him, nor did Moses. As humans, they made mistakes, but not in relaying messages from Jehovah.

     
    If we do not agree totally with the current interpretations of the Governing Body, we are disfellowshipped. 
    Who are these people who exert such control? Their authority derives from the organization founded by Charles Taze Russell, 
    a man who used the measurements of the corridors of the Great Pyramid in Gizeh to help prove the validity of the "end of the 
    Gentile Times" (Watchtower, June 15, 1922). Consider also what Russell wrote about 1914: 
    "When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long promised era will have made a fair start 
    in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and 

    ideals of all poets and sages in history."

    Apparently astrology and pyramidology had a part in the determination of the year 1914. Could that have been from God? 
    A man such as this was chosen above all others to be "over all Christ's belongings"?

    While the Society generally avoids calling itself a "prophet", it nevertheless puts on the prophet's mantle. Here are some examples: 
     
    • "The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874."
    • Note the words, "indisputable facts".

    • "We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours.
    • But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble."

    • "We have no doubt whatever in regards to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925...
    • The Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon 1914 and 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure..."
    • "There can be no more question about 1925 than there was about 1914."
    • Since it is obvious that 1925 was invalid, in line with their reasoning, would it not also mean 1914 is invalid as well?
    • "True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all the present governments
    • will be over-thrown and dissolved." Were they, in fact, overthrown and dissolved?

    • "We are already living in the seventh millennium, since October, 1872."

    • "The period must end in 1925...millions now living on earth will be living then and those who obey the righteous laws of the
    • new arrangement will live forever. Therefore it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die."

    • "We may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and
    • fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth."

    According to this trustworthy Bible chronology, six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of

    a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 CE. So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be

    up, yes, within this generation. .... So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as

    the seventh day of man's existence." The May 1974 "Kingdom Ministry" said this:

    "Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old

    system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

    This info was taken from a Letter of Disassociation - you can read the whole thing here: http://members.aol.com/Beyondjw/da.htm

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Thank you for your replies. I was unclear in my original post - and for the mistake I apologize with graphic depth.

    What I meant by the 'Kool Aid Watchtower's' was the recent incarnation of a 'Jw version only'. So far only three issues are in print and available - the 15th of Jan, Feb, and March 2008. It was specifically these mags that I meant reference to -sorry.

    I want to point out to an elder - if he will allow me - how the 'internal versions' are no better than the past versions in content, in fact that they are designed to control information even more tightly and increase the grip on the flock - for that I want to show him glaring mis-statements and inaccuracies.

    So sorry for not making it clear - but of course the information you posted here was good information and I appreciate that.

    Jeff

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