I know it's illegal, but would a good old-fashioned INTERVENTION work?

by OnTheWayOut 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    A loved one is a JW. It's not a hardcore cult, but it's a mind-control cult.
    (The purpose of this thread is not to argue that point, but to answer the thread question.)
    I am not proposing that I hold a loved one against their will, but would a straightforward
    intervention work?

    I say NO. For a few, it might, but overall JW's are not living at the compound with the
    young ones having sex with the leader and everyone lying to potential converts. They
    think it really is the truth, and an intervention would be the work of Satan.

    What do you say?

  • Mary
    Mary

    In theory it might sound like a good idea, but in reality it's not. There was a case not too far from here last year I think, where this girl got sucked in to some really bizarre cult which taught you not to associate with family members who were not members of the congregation and no, it wasn't the Dubs. It was a really crazy guy whose name eludes me right now.

    Anyway, her parents did indeed have her kidnapped and attempted to deprogram her with the help of a someone in the field. Didn't work. Not only did it not work but the daughter pressed charges against her parents and they're now facing years in prison for kidnapping and unlawful confinment.

  • changeling
    changeling

    No, I don't think it would work. They would think they were suffering persecution. It would reinforce their faith.

    People don't leave till their ready. It can't be forced.

    changeling

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    hmmmmm..... I am not sure....

    but you are all probably right...

    I think...

    maybe...

    The Oracle

  • yknot
    yknot

    Nope, best to use the same tatics we all were taught in field service. Get them talking and then inject something thought provoking at the right moment. Or to gain their confidence slowly enough for them to be comfortable discussing their doubts or issues, then validating the point while sharing some other concern.

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    Interventions are usually used as a last resort for addicts of all kinds -- drugs, alcohol, gambling. Most hardcore addicts secretly know they're out of control and helpless to help themselves. The intervention gives them the freedom to admit their addiction and to accept help.

    Mind-control cultists do not believe they're out of control or helpless. They believe they have the truth and God's favor. An traditional intervention would not be able to help them because cult members don't believe they need help. It would be an exercise in futility and would very likely reinforce the cult member's beliefs.

  • worldtraveller
    worldtraveller

    Since these people have made an "intelligent" choice, the answer is no. HOWever!!!

    I would bitchslap anyone I knew that was actually considering joining.

  • Happy Harvester
    Happy Harvester

    Maybe just exposing the person in question to a lot of searching discussion and questions over a long period of time would work. Then finish it up with a little George Carlin on religion. That ought'a fix things right up.

  • neverendingjourney
    neverendingjourney

    I think it depends on the individual.

    Why did they join the religion: for intellectual reasons or for the camaraderie? Were they born in? Do they actually believe it's the truth or are they less concerned about doctrinal details than they are about the supposed evidence of this being God's organization? How happy are they with the religion? Do they harbor doubts? Have they had run-ins with "prominent" JWs? How comfortable are they with allowing themselves to be deceived?

    I think a forceful intervention might be successful on someone who has been conned into believing that the JWs have the truth. Forcefully making them see that all is not as it seems could have a powerful effect on breaking the religion's control over them. Forcefully teaching someone about the fallacy of the 1914 teaching, the false 607 B.C. date, the UN scandal, the child abuse cover up, the way the doctrine has completely morphed over the years, among other things, could lead a devout JW to reassess his faith. Unfortunately, I think that few modern-day JWs fit this category.

    Many of today's Witnesses, at least from my experience, seem to be people who don't care too much about doctrine. They just accept that it's the truth, either because they were raised that way or have invested too many years of their lives for them to consider the alternative. It would be much harder to deprogram these people because they are not under any illusions about the JW leadership. They remain in the religion for social reasons more than anything else. They've developed a tangled web of social and family relationships. Leaving the religion would be more of a hassle than remaining in it thanks to the religion's excommunication policy. There really isn't much incentive for these people to leave. Many of them lead double lives anyway, so there really is no reason for them to leave and be shunned by everyone they know.

    The goal of an intervention, as I understand it, is to give a cult member information about the cult that they otherwise would not voluntarily consider. If a cult member has been genuinely deceived into following his religious leader and the cult member later finds out that they were lied to, the logical reaction would be to leave the cult. But how could this work if the person in the cult isn't in it because they believe in the cult's teachings but rather because they enjoy the social atmosphere of the cult or are unwilling to face the consequences of excommunication?

    It's an interesting and complicated question. I think that a forceful intervention might have been successful on me because I genuinely believed in everything the Society taught. For a few years, I didn't have a single doubt. I didn't have access to any critical information. Nor would I have ever considered reading so-called apostate material. Had someone forcefully shown me what I now know, perhaps I would have left the religion many years ago. Of course, there's no way of knowing how I would have reacted.

    There are many JWs that come to mind on whom an intervention would probably never work. Some of them are people who have so completely bought into the religion that they would support the Watchtower despite what they might learn. They've convinced themselves that if they have negative thoughts about the Society it's because Satan is putting that thought in their head. Nothing they could possibly learn would deter them from their path. Others have invested too many years into the religion, and, mainly due to pride, could never possibly bring themselves to recognize that their lives were spent in working in vain to bring about a new system that will never come. Others have grown up in the religion and are deeply imbedded in the JW sociological structure. They get their sense of satisfaction and personal fulfillment from their status in the religion. They enjoy the attention they receive because of it. Many of these people are completely comfortable leading double lives. Whether the religion is or isn't the truth isn't much of a concern to them. What matters is that this was the life they were born into and they are going to play by the rules and exploit it as much as they can. Putting up with the consequences of being disfellowshipped is just not worth it to them, especially since a lot of these people married young and now have spouses and children in the religion.

  • wings
    wings
    I would bitchslap anyone I knew that was actually considering joining.

    I could not have said it better.

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