The Bible mans word not God's

by edmond dantes 9 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    Let's see now what do we have before us, why it's the Bible and a group of self importent egotistical leaders of the world wide movement known as the Jehovahs Witnesses.Let us assume for a moment that the Bible is just an ordinary book not inspired by an almighty God but inspired by mere mortals and in it are contained the words of ordinary humans who claim to be speaking from divine authority and by direction of that same authority. Suppose it is just a collection of myths and legends, we say that because there is no tangible proof otherwise, so why should we say it's from the creator when it is without a doubt written by humans.In it are words of wisdom but you can find words of wisdom all over the place and we don't claim those to be inspired by God because they are formed by mans intelligence.

    As for the people who put themselves forward as leaders of a man made organisation namely the Watchtower Society ,they are just cooking the books of the man made Bible and serving up a concoction of man made ideas leading to nowhere in particular and the worst part about it is the fact they have been doing it for over one hundred years and achieving nothing whatsoever to the betterment of the residents of this planet, in fact they can be a detriment and a hinderence to a persons progress through life. Can anyone make a list of the good achievments of the Watchtower leaders over the last one hundred years?

  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Hi Edmond. You have to realize that our perceptions are based upon what we actually know. For instance, your basically the Bible is a man's book theory...

    Suppose it is just a collection of myths and legends, we say that because there is no tangible proof otherwise, so why should we say it's from the creator when it is without a doubt written by humans.In it are words of wisdom but you can find words of wisdom all over the place and we don't claim those to be inspired by God because they are formed by mans intelligence.

    This would apply to you as an "option" because God hasn't spoken with you personally. But he has spoken to me personally and there are specific verses in the Bible that apply specifically to ME. So how is it I can claim the Bible isn't inspired or that there is no God. I can't because of my personal experience in the matter. You can go fantasizing there is no God or that the Bible is just a book uninspired, but it's only because you don't have enough information, as you say to prove otherwise. YOU have no tangigle proof otherwise, but that's just YOU. That doesn't apply to others. I have plenty of tangigle proof, not that you'd understand it.

    I think it was for arguments like yours that Jehovah provided a skyscape photographer to photograph the "sign of the son of man" that was supposed to appear during end times related to the second coming. Now it is IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO FOCUS HERE. That is, part of the signs included this "sign" that was to be seen in the sky. FOCUS. When the eagle-anointed see the sign they cry and beat themselves in lamentation when they see it. Why? Obviously, the sign must be related to the death of the messiah. Does the messiah die again at the second coming? Yes! He becomes a CARCASS. That is why the Bible describes these eagle-anointed ones as.."Where the CARCASS [dead body] is, so the eagles will be gathered together." So the eagles know where the dead Christ is and when they see his sign in heaven, which depicts him as a dead child, then they mourn upon seeing it. It's not that complicated.

    Now interestingly enough, the WTS didn't quite buy into this because they believed that 1914 marked the INVISIBLE coming of the Christ, even though many anointed ones were seeing this sign of the dead black child representing the dead prodigal son. So they dealt with this in their subliminal/cryptic artwork in the publication. They rejected this doctrine even though the scriptures clearly suggest the prodigal son and Lazarus are actually the messiah at the second coming. So here is a graphic of the photographic of the "sign of the son of man" provided me along with proof in the Revelation book that others have seen this sign. So to me, this is TANGIGLE PROOF OTHERWISE. You may not accept this as evidence, but I do. So I'm not in your category of having no TANGIBLE PROOF because my belief system is not just based on the Bible, I do have tangigle proof relating to fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

    http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/signson001jpg.JPG

    So from my perspective, you're simply somone who Jehovah has kept in the dark, so you have little choice but to perhaps think the Bible is not inspired or God does not exist, and perhaps that is of some comfort for you. But across the tracks, a lot more on a spiritual level connected with the Bible is actually going on, so we cannot relate to your skepticism at this point, particularly after 1947, when things related to prophecy and the second coming would increase among the chosen anointed.

    But as Christ noted, "those who have much will get more" meaning those who already have faith will see the "sign of the son of man" or like me be provided a photocopy of the sign. For those who have nothing, that is, who don't believe the Bible is inspired, that will be taken from them. Meaning, God will cause their zero disbelief to increase to a -1 or -20 disbelief. He will give them even MORE evidence he doesn't exist or that the Bible is a book of myths, so that he is totally stumbled.

    You think God and Christ are nice? Well, they are to the sheep. But for those who insist on ignoring many obvious indicators, God casts them into darkness, blinds them and leads them to the edge of a steep cliff and then Jesus comes up from behind and pushes him over the edge, basically.

    For the doubters, God makes it incredibly hard to believe, even if something is explained in detail...

    ACTS 13:41 ‘Behold it, YOU scorners, and wonder at it, and vanish away, because I am working a work in YOUR days, a work that YOU will by no means believe even if anyone relates it to YOU in detail.’"

    But don't worry, Jehovah has claimed he will not remain in obscurity for the world at large indefinitely. He will show himself when he gives a huge wake-up call at Armageddon. But, again, those of us of the anointed in addition to our proven faith in scripture and fulfilled prophecy, plus PHOTOS!!! I understand your position, but it's nice to have some tangible, visible, physical modern evidence that the Bible is true. So your statement about "no tangible evidence" only applies to those who don't have it obviously. But others definitely do.

    Thanks for sharing your doubting demographic with us. But this was also prophesied and to be expected. So you need to qualify your statement and say: "no tangible evidence that I have personally seen thus far" instead of making a broad statement, since that statement wouldn't apply to anyone who has seen the "sign of the son of man" either in person or via photo.

    JC

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    The Bible is a collection of myths created by bicameral man on their way to conscious thinking. And Jesus tried to lead man in general into conscious thinking, for which the religious leaders had to kill him to prevent him from crashing their religions. Paul mistook Jesus' message for something literal, and that is the source of most of the confusion about the Bible. It is also the source of many Catholic and Protestant doctrines.

    And it was man, not God, that hand picked the books to fit the early Catholic church's needs. We all know that there are many books that should have been in the Bible that were not, and there are probably many more that were totally lost. For sure, not something any benevolent God would have put together Himself.

  • real one
    real one

    Are you talking about the nwt?

  • Free
    Free
    YOU have no tangigle proof otherwise, but that's just YOU. That doesn't apply to others. I have plenty of tangigle proof, not that you'd understand it.

    Tangible = Discernible by the touch or capable of being touched. (Websters) ?

  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    Real one ,I know the nwt is translated by a biased committee of one but what I mean is the original scriptures are mens thoughts about God.For instance if King David won a battle he would claim God was on his side which would have the effect of his people believing it as well.

    J canon hi,

    What do you mean God has spoken to you personally, prove it and what exactly did he say , what is your tangible evidence?

    When I see a fly crawling up a wall I have tangible proof of the event.When someone says God is there or was there or did that I have to have imagination to believe it but I do not with the fly because it's there right in front of my eyes and a blind man could hear it's buzz.But you might say we hear God's buzz ,that to me is not tangible proof of the God in the bible.The buzz might be proof of a great spirit or powerful force .

    I have come to think in terms of nature or creation if I want to understand the Great Originator, for instance when I see a beautiful landscape as the sun rises on a perfect morning I ask myself why has it been made to look so fantastic if it wasn't made for humans to appreciate.All the imagination of man writing the Bible hasn't given us the definitive answer.

    So I am saying it is time to look for the first great cause from outside the Bible

  • Rapunzel
    Rapunzel

    Free - According to Merriam-Webster's on-line dictionary, a secondary definition of the word tangible is "capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind," as in "her grief was tangible." So, I do believe we have to let ole J.C. slide into home here, as it were.

    My concern with his post is when he quotes the bible as stating that eagles will gather around the carcass. I always thought that it was vultures - and not eagles - that gather around a carcass. And while, whereas it could be argued that eagles, falcons and hawks can be classified together, vultures are a totally different species. So, it seems that someone - somewhere - is making an egregious error in zoological classification. As far as the bible is concerned, this would be by no means the only such error. After all, doesn't the King James version speak of "unicorns"?

  • Free
    Free

    It all comes down to, 1 you believe in invisible beings or 2 you don't.

    All faith is blind so whatever makes one happy, ride on.

    In my mind I believe intelligent life on other planets could be, Does that mean it does ? No.

    Out at home !

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    Some interesting thoughts there Wizard! I think you've nailed some of it, at least in regard to the New Testament and the Catholic Church.

    About the myth part, remember that man had Satan's help plotting a counterfeit for the true redemption story way in advance of Christ.

    http://www.love-the-truth.net/mithra_christianity.html

    Paul was a self-appointed false apostle and a Mithraic priest. Here's my take on it:

    http://www.love-the-truth.net/wall.html

    http://www.love-the-truth.net/law.html

    ProdigalSon

  • easyreader1970
    easyreader1970

    Right now I would consider myself more of a deist. I think that the Bible is inspired by God but not in the way that most people think. I think that God inspired men to write the Bible in the same way that a warm, summer morning might inspire someone to write a poem. Or the way that looking at a beautiful woman might inspire someone to paint her.

    I think that much of the Old Testament (it drives my wife crazy when I use that term, she prefers "Hebrew Scriptures". Whatever.) was written to keep people in line. They were a tribe at war and the Yahweh deity was their war god. Yahweh of armies. He would lead them into battle. I do not believe that an involved deity would create thousands of laws that had to be followed to the letter (or you get stoned!).

    At this point in my life, I am not even sure that a Christ figure ever existed. If I say that to most Christian people, JW or not, they would look at me like I was Satan himself.

    The only reason I am hanging on to deism and not atheism is because in my mind I feel that there are things presently that science cannot explain satisfactorily enough for me. I still think that someone or something had some involvement. That might be just wishful thinking, but that's where my mind is at right now.

    er

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