Why have GB set aside another bible teaching?

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  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    WT June 15 p28:

    " Jehovah rejected Israel as a nation."

    Yet Romans 11:2 says: "God did not reject his people whom he first recognized."

    The whole thrust of the item discussing Romans 11 is that all these verses now apply to SPIRITUAL Israel (ie the Gibbering Buddy and other annointed.)

    "God has given them eyes so as not to see and ears so as not to hear." (8)Sounds about right so far.

    "a dulling of sensibilities" (25)

    "For God has shut them up all together in disobedience (32)

    Sounds about right. ACtually the whole rejection of God's promises to the Jews, as preached by the WT actually makes nonsense of much of this passage.

    If it applies to the Watchtower in the 20th century, then these verses show quite plainly they are wrong, and should not be followed.

    HB

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Hey hamster, what about your previous post? Lots of folks want you to put up.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    The Bible says things both ways.

    Shortly before his death, Jesus is quoted as saying "Look your house is abandoned to you!" That sounds like a rejection to me.

    So you can take from the Bible what you want, and JW's do so and so do all other religions claiming to follow it.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Gopher that is the tirade against the jewish leaders, and Jerusalem.

    If Paul knew that passage and understood it to be all of Abraham's seed, he would not go against it. Especially as he claimed a direct line to the ear of Jesus.

    HB

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Doesn't the WTS pretty much pick and choose - and reframe - to their benefit?

  • strawberry cake
    strawberry cake

    hi there, was it a spoof??

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Of course the WT picks and chooses to suit their aims. As do other religions.

    Yet some parts of the passage do not make sense if Paul is only talking of "spiritual jews"

    What is so astonishing in this article is the way they completely misdirect the readers attention away from the actual words of Paul to their own ideas.

    The Revelation of John had not been written at this point, yet the article concludes:

    "[Paul] meant that God's purpose to have 144 000 spiritual israelites ruling with his son , Jesus Christ, in Heaven would be fulfilled."

    Paul actually wrote that anybody who pronounced as good news anything beyond what he or the apostles had preached was to be accursed, even an angel. Here we see the 'wt doing just that.

    HB

  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Jehovah has an obligation to Abraham to fulfill the promise of a nation of kings and priests. Lots of scriptures show Israel being punished and abandoned, but not forever. Israel's punishment would be loss of their homeland, exile and a sword going after them. The climax of that punishment would a "great tribulation" where two-thirds of the Jews in exile would be exterminated by Gog of Magog (descendants of Magog, the son of Japheth). But after that, he would restore his favor and their homeland. That's what "UNTIL the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." So the Jews would only be abandoned until the end of the "gentile times" then restored.

    The ultimate punishment is that seats in the kingdom would go to gentiles. Per Isa 6:13 though, 10% of those seats would remain with the natural Jews who make up the root of that kingdom. Thus Abraham's covenant is fulfilled by a faithful remnant of the Jews, although the nation itself did not fully follow the rules of that covenant. Therefore, JWs are misguided in later years that the natural Jews have zero part in the messianic kingdom. Ironically, during the Russell days there was a great focus on the natural Jews, hence "ZIONs Watchtower."

    ZECH 13: 8 “And it must occur in all the land,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “[that] two parts in it are what will be cut off [and] expire; and as for the third [part], it will be left remaining in it. 9 And I shall certainly bring the third [part] through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold. It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, ‘It is my people,’ and it, in its turn, will say, ‘Jehovah is my God.’”

    The Holocaust saw a loss of six million Jews out of 9 million; shortly after they were in charge of their homeland again. I guess the GB being in spiritual darkness never saw this.

    JC

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Just like the early Catholic church that picked the books that suited its own nefarious aims to include in the Bible, the witlesses pick and choose what ones they want to follow. And they both edit passages that blatantly go against their teachings.

    And, like the Catholic church, the Washtowel Slaveholdery wants to plunge mankind into the Second Dark Ages. So much for love.

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    As time passed the Society realized that their predictions were not going to come true. To say that their understanding of the Bible was correct, but that their timing was out would be one possible way of saving face. But to admit this would make a mockery of all the literature published over the previous forty years. And what of the damning statements made against those who had always said they were twisting the scriptures; also their claim to be guided by God would be disproved.

    Judge Rutherford came up with the answer. He claimed that Jesus had returned in 1914 and was ruling in the heavens – but invisibly! Only with the aid of the Society's books would anyone be able to see this, as Jesus was revealing himself through them. But did not the Bible state that when Jesus returned Israel would go back to its homeland even as the Society had so far taught, stating as late as 1924 that Jerusalem would become the capital of the world?

    It was at this point that the entire understanding of the Bible, as taught by the Watchtower Society, did a somersault. Judge Rutherford explained that the followers of the Society had replaced Israel and all the blessings promised to Israel were to be bestowed on them.

    All Bible references to Israel were a coded way of foretelling the rise of Jehovah's Witnesses, though at that time they had still not adopted this name. Due to their rejection of Jesus, Israel were to be cast away forever. This was in total contrast to the entire chapter in “The Time is at Hand” entitled “Parallel Dispensations,” where by quoting many scriptures they had attempted to show that Israel, as an earthly nation, had been promised that it would return to God’s favour and its homeland.

    Many of the books written from then on set out to prove that all the promises made in the Bible, relating to Israel, had been or were about to be fulfilled on the Society and its followers.

    For Israel to be permanently abandoned, as the Witnesses claim, the promise to Abraham would have to be broken. The Witnesses claim that God has done this to make way for them. However the Bible states that he would not cast Israel away forever. Most of the Old Testament and some of the New is written about Israel, ending with the achievement of God’s original purpose, to restore Israel to favour.

    According to the Bible, he has sworn to do this! The promise to Israel is repeated throughout the New Testament, which states that the old covenant was abandoned for the sake of Israel, but Israel itself was to be saved.

    The Apostle Paul likens Israel to a tree and shows that those who have come into favour in place of Israel are like branches that have been grafted on. He explains that it is because Israel is the root that these branches are made holy:

    “I ask then, has God rejected his people? I cannot believe it! I am an Israelite myself, of the stock of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. No! God has not rejected the people which he acknowledged of old as his own.”…“For there is a deep truth here, my brothers … this partial blindness has come upon Israel only until the Gentiles have been admitted in full strength; when that has happened the whole of Israel shall be saved, in agreement with the text of scripture...” Romans 11

    Taken from the book 'Opening the door to Jehovah's Witnesses.'

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