Salvation JW-Style: Hard Questions

by Room 215 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Hi all,

    These points and related ones have been raised here before, but I think it's worthwhile to pose several questions for comment. Here goes:

    Is salvation collective or individual? This one poses a dilemma for JWs. On the one hand, they compare being in the organization to riding out the flood in the Ark; on the other hand, they exploit the rank and file's insecurity and guilt by raising the dread of destruction if fails to ``live up to his/her dedication'' by lagging in field service or meetings.

    If, then it's axiomatic that a baptised person can be destroyed, then the corollary would have to be that unbaptised people could be spared, i.e. salvation is individual; no?

    Then too, is the question of linking salvation to literacy. The JW distortion of the meaning by the mistranslation of John 17:3, links the attainment of everlasting life to ``taking in knowledge'' in the sense of the accumulation of knowledge, presumably gained through reading.

    Having spent one's life in a modern developed nation, one can easily take widespread literacy granted, and lose sight of the fact that today's average rate is historically unprecedented. It seems not to have occured to the NWT translators that by making literacy a virtual requirement for salvation, they shut off untold billions of humans throughout history including no small percentage of people living today. population.

    In fact, it would be intriguing to know what the average level of literacy was in Bible times, generally and among Jew and Gentile in the time of Christ an before.

    Literacy could not have been very high in ancient times; there is no mention made of schools that I can find in the Old Testament, and the fact that the people needed to gather to have the law read to them suggests literacy was comparatively scarce.

    What say you?

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : What say you?

    I say the WTS purposefully mistrated the word for "knowing" into "taking in knowledge" in John 17:3 because it would galvanize dubs into selling more books. Or face death at God's hands. It is the most effective mistranslation to create a brilliant marketing technique that one could imagine.

    Your observations on salvation being dependent upon literacy in dubland are excellent. A number of scholars believe Jesus was illiterate. One has to wonder why the son of God himself didn't at least jot down a thought or two that would be preserved through the ages.

    Farkel

    "When in doubt, duck!"

  • Bang
    Bang

    Knowing God is of course to know in your heart who He is and what He's like and how He is with you and will be with you. Something that may be known by both the mentally handicapped and scientists. The WT society seem to think that He is like they are.

    Bang

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Do they "know" Him? Therein lies the problem for the 6 million Witnesses. In truth, they don't know the essence of salvation, nor of their own sinful condition. Sure, they recognise they are 'imperfect' and that they have inherited imperfection from Adam's sin, but that's about it. The sinners they DF. They equate sin with "Gross Sin". Yet the Christian message is one of hope for sinners. The WTS gets rid of them. Crazy.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
    Anonymous

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