Children of Interfaith Marriages

by QuietOne 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • QuietOne
    QuietOne

    I would be interested in anyone's stories regarding how the children were raised in interfaith marriages. I know of several individuals (mostly men) that are married to JW women and they all seem to have different arrangements for raising their children.

    In one case the father simply ignores the religion issue and the children for the most part.

    In another instance there are two children one being raised as a JW and the other being raised as a Chatholic. Understandibly this becomes quite an issue at birthdays and Christmas.

    I yet another instance the "head of the house" routine comes into play where the father has the say on everything and his say is that the children do not attend meetings or practice anything JW related.

    Most of these relationships are difficult at the best of times but at least the couples involved have stuck it out. What do people think about these situations? What do you think will happen to the children. I am of the opinion that they will kick the WT habit. The influence exerted on these children by the non-JW parent must have a beneficial influence... what do others think about this? Does anyone have a positive story about children in an interfaith marriage?

    QuietOne

  • HappyHeathen
    HappyHeathen

    Quietone,
    My mother became a JW when I was 11, but not my father, who was rather a non-religious individual. Later my mom became "weak" and meeting attendance was hit and miss. If one of your parents are a "non-believer" and the other is weak, it certainly changes the dynamics of your relationship with others in the congregation. Growing up as a teen in the org, I did not have the same status of kids who had both parents firmly entrenched in the org. If your dad was an elder, that was even better. Most of the kids like me were treated like we were from the "wrong side of the tracks", always left out of the slumber parties and little get-togethers of the socially acceptable elder's kids.

    I guess the point I'm making here is that if one of your parents is not a witness, it may be easier for you to leave at some point because your experiences may less positive than someone who comes from a whole "happy" JW family. And you will always have at least one parent who will love you and help you through your exit.

  • indireneed
    indireneed

    Coming from the perspective of someone who has thought this issue through alot, I just don't see a good answer. My wife is a JW and I am a well-informed hater of the governing body. I have never been a JW, but I have studied with them, and studied with her, and then studied the real dirt that comes from scary, mind-controlling places like the internet. Anyway, I do not believe in a God that has anything to do with what anyone says (especially the JWs) . . .

    So, my wife and I are young and we've always planned on having kids. However, with her new entrance into the JW society and my complete distaste for their spiels and crap, I don't see how we could ever have children together. Why? Here are a couple questions I ask myself.

    How is it possible for the kids to ever grow up with any relationship with one parent . . . either the mother tells them the father will be lambasted and toasted at Armageddon or the father tells them the mother is full of crap and that the religion stuff is crap. Or one parent ignores them, or they just stop talking altogether. A JW cannot refrain from preaching to her children. A conscientious man cannot watch his child's life wasted by association with a fool's paradise.

    Or, how could the child ever reconcile that the mother believes there is only one way to paradise while the father believes that that is certainly not the way? Will the mother tell the child that he or she will be destroyed because the father forbids his attendance? Will the mother use the father's impending doom to destroy the child's relationship with the worldy father?

    I am glad that we do not have kids. It saddends me deeply that we might never . . . I love my wife, and I love who she was, while I perhaps don't love who she's become.

    I stay because we just married and I hope that she'll tire of this crap quickly, but I can't wait forever. I want to make my mark on this world by passing on what I've learned to my children; however, it is impossible with my wife and the above questions.

    Just my opinion.

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    ((((((indireneed))))))

    I was just going to glibly reply to QuietOne that MY children were raised with only the Mom in "the Truth" and the Dad hating the arrogance of the organization, and NONE of them are JWs. Happy ending to story.

    But, of course, it wasn't that easy.

    I DO feel that my being a strong JW estranged my children from their father and put a big hole in our marriage. We could no longer really talk about the things that were important to us, because so much of what I had put as a priority in my life was just a bunch of crap from that damn religion to him. He threatened to divorce me when I told him I was going to be baptized (and invited him to the baptism). I cried at my baptism, because he WOULDN'T come, and I wanted him there for such a monumental event in my life. He used to destroy my literature if he found it left out. He nearly blew a gasket when one of our daughters told him that if he wasn't on God's side he was on Satan's (a phrase which NEVER came out of MY mouth, I assure you, but a deduction she had already made at about age 4!!!).
    Early on, he forbade the children to attend the Memorial with me -- which made the entire ONE special event I was allowed to enjoy joyless and heart-wrenching. I could barely get through the meeting.
    He insisted our children attend parochial schools, again, making me cry to an elder friend who told me not to worry, the public schools were undisciplined and surely the light of Jehovah's truth would contrast sharply with the false religion they would be exposed to if I just 'kept on doing what I was doing': hauling them to meetings, forcing them to sit through family Bible studies which, frankly, frustrated me no end because they acted up not wanting to be there, but which I felt to be my godly duty to conduct! They only thing they enjoyed was field service (socializing -- not the doors!) and congregation picnics and parties. The older they got, the less they enjoyed field service.

    QuietOne, I "played" the headship card to my benefit as the children got older.

    There actually WERE things which my husband forbade the children to do: NO meetings on school nights. Period. Until they got older and were permitted to attend the book study because it ended earlier. The children never joined the Ministry School as a result. Of course, by the time they were old enough to attend the book study, they were within their rights to refuse to go, and I wasn't allowed to 'make them'.

    But I used the 'headship' principle so that my children could do things that were forbidden to other Witness kids. They played YMCA baseball and softball. They played in a community soccer league which had games on Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons and practices on Tues. and Thursdays depending on the coach's schedule.
    They were allowed to participate in school plays and concerts, as long as the subject matter didn't go against their personal consciences (which varied).

    The parochial school attendance turned out to be a blessing. While I will always appreciate that their having to refuse to participate in certain activities taught them how to stand up for their beliefs (and I did permit them to use their consciences here, too, as they progressively 'made the truth their own' - ha!ha!), seeing good things being done for and happening to others who claimed to be God's people made them tolerant as well. And for me it was also an eye-opener. Raised a Protestant, I distrusted those papists! LOL But I saw so much kindness, charity, and faith in action that I forgave them their Mariolatry and foolish belief in the intercessory prayers of the dead.

    Because I was a 'strong' Spiritual Widow, we were invited to elders' homes and private parties, so my kids didn't feel like outcasts until the girls reached puberty, when all of a sudden they became 'temptations' instead of people. This hurt them, AND ME, a lot!

    Finally, my eldest declined to come to the meetings any longer. She was no longer sure what she believed -- except in herself! -- and couldn't see a marked difference between what she was being taught in school and what I had taught her as a Witness. And she had questions for God. The universal ones which Witness doctrines really don't answer in a satisfying way. The ones which I didn't ask myself until much later...

    The other children followed suit. They attended meetings with me sporadically out of pity or guilt (which I am ashamed to say I fostered so I could have some company and not be thought badly of).
    They respected me enough to attend the Memorial with me for a couple of years, but when we had our own 'Memorial' at home last spring with other ex-JWs, my eldest again declined to participate. No more fakery for her. And I didn't mind... at least not very much.

    My poor husband endured much. During my 11+ years of JWdom, he had to carry on Christmas and other holiday traditions on his own. I never prevented him. (I secretly longed to join him!!! and even DID help the poor guy wrap presents several years back because it was getting to be time for the kids to wake up and he wasn't half done!!!) We spent holidays with his family -- Christmas at his parents' home, Fourth of July at the cottage -- and I never refused to cook a turkey for Thanksgiving or refused to watch our children open their presents. I wouldn't buy a birthday cake or eat one, but we always took the kids out to the restaurant of their choice on their birthdays and Dad bought them gifts (which often pleased because MOM had suggested what they might like)!

    I look back now and KNOW how very different my children's upbringing was from most Witness children's. I was 'strong' in my beliefs, my preparation, etc., but liberal as to 'fellow-feeling' and 'tender-hearted' towards my children.

    I also know that I did my children and husband a grave disservice by causing division in the family.

    It's true, indireneed, that it's impossible to be unified when the children have been taught that one course or another is the road to eternal extinction! I think the inherent estrangement could be overcome if the Dad was committed to truly, truly co-parenting the kids. Unfortunately in our case, while my husband feels deeply, he is not good at expressing his love other than by sticking with me (23 years!) and doing his breadwinner duty. He spent far too much time at work and too little getting to know his children. I cannot say enough about men who actually share the shuttling of kids back and forth to their activities and coach or volunteer at school, etc., etc. Seems to me that the kids who are convinced of their parents' love by this kind of drudgery are the happiest and most self-confident. While my children, who had an overinvolved? mother, but a mostly absent father, actually feel he doesn't like them or that they have no reason to like him! It is truly sad.

    Since I DA'd myself, we have been trying to make up some lost ground. And we are succeeding to a degree. Still, the religion continues to cause rifts between my husband and I, because I spend time HERE on this board. He just cannot understand how if I'm DONE with the religion, I still need to interact with all of you! He doesn't understand the need for my activism -- thinks I'd be helping more by going to a soup kitchen or something (actually I think that suggestion was a form of "do something I understand" because, of course, what I DO do, is still tied to that 'sick cult'). He wants me liberated, and I am still in various stages of mourning. And, having always refused to hear ANYTHING about the JW faith or the people I knew and was friends with, he cannot relate to the depth of my feeling or understand my horror and disappointment now.

    So, indireneed, I feel you have reasoned correctly. And I think your reasoning applies to ANY inter-faith marriage, but especially to JWdom. Which is why it is very important for young people to discuss how they will raise their children BEFORE tying the knot. Diverse religious beliefs are an ENORMOUS hurdle to overcome, and perhaps not the best foundation for a happy family life.

    I am sorry for your personal pain. I'm sure my husband could relate.

    Sadly,

    outnfree

    In dealing with fear, the way out is in -- Sheldon Kopp

  • indireneed
    indireneed

    outnfree,

    It's really interesting to hear your point of view on this. It's the completely opposite one to what I am approaching, and it's good to see maybe what my wife thinks about the decisions she is making.

    I think that she assumes that I'll let her do what she wants with the kids. She sees me as a person who has no real beliefs and therefore can't teach a kid anything with that respect. So they should default to her religion. What she doesn't understand is that my belief is quite simply something that cannot be completely explained like her religion.

    She asks when we'll have a baby, but doesn't really think. It makes me feel better when she tells me that she's not ready to have a baby because the world is too evil - it makes me feel guilty that I feel relieved for her to say it. Someday there will be a confrontation . . . and then we'll have to draw sides.

    But it's good to hear what you think. In a way, I don't hate my wife for her choice to alienate me and our future. I am proud of her for throwing herself into something that she believes, but I regret that she chose this. I don't mean to sound bitter or hateful, but if she chooses her religion over our future life together, maybe its better that we split up. She would be happier without a spiritual weight and maybe I'll get luckier next time.

    You're right - it is important to talk these things through first. Unfortunately for me, this all happened right after we got married. Talk about a hard first couple years . . .

    Thank you for replying, and thank you for telling me your point of view and how you felt. kids are a responsibility, because you can really screw them up. I don't want to let that happen. It's okay if they're witnesses, and it's okay if they're not. But they can't be of this world and of the JW Jehovah . . .

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    With a blended family in an interfaith marriage I've been the spiritual head of the household. My kids raised Catholic, hers as JW's with the understanding that if we adopt kids they get raised Catholic. Her middle son, Sean, who will be 19 on 2 Dec is ready to take convert classes.

    YERUSALYIM
    "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
    [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]

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